Lord Parkin
aka emperor
Ah yes, I forgot about that. Do you actually get XP for those free wins though? I would have thought that'd be a bit frowned upon, since even getting the capped 10 XP from a win is pretty major.
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and anyway, the xp you may get from barbs is topped at 10 too, so it's irrelevent.
I forgot about the total 10 XP limit for barbs, sorry guys.
OscarWildebeest
Prince
Hold on. I thought I just read that you always win your first fight against barbs. Is this true? It could make a bit of a difference to my early game strategy, if so.
JimT
Warlord
It certainly was true and I don't believe it has been removed. It depends on the level your playing at (so I wouldn't rely upon it).
up to prince, if I remember well, you win your first barb fight
at settler you can send your scout in the middle of a bears festival
Greeneyedzombie
King
up to prince, if I remember well, you win your first barb fight
at settler you can send your scout in the middle of a bears festival
I think someone forgot to tell my copy of the game. My scout/warrior ussually dies by the first encounter of barbs/animals.
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
Info for Civ4 1.61 (not sure if it has changed for Warlords):
Settler - 5 free wins vs barbs
Chieftain - 4 free wins vs barbs
Warlord - 3 free wins vs barbs
Noble - 2 free wins vs barbs
Prince - 1 free wins vs barbs
Monarch - 0 free wins vs barbs
Emperor - 0 free wins vs barbs
Immortal - 0 free wins vs barbs
Deity - 0 free wins vs barbs
Settler - 5 free wins vs barbs
Chieftain - 4 free wins vs barbs
Warlord - 3 free wins vs barbs
Noble - 2 free wins vs barbs
Prince - 1 free wins vs barbs
Monarch - 0 free wins vs barbs
Emperor - 0 free wins vs barbs
Immortal - 0 free wins vs barbs
Deity - 0 free wins vs barbs
There is something to explore here.
I usually play on monarch so I just cannot rely on those free wins, but I have a few things to test:
- is it only on attack?
- does it apply to all units (= including animals) ?
- what's the exact result of a "free win" (are you hurt or not?)
- do you get full XP for those?
Lord Parkin
aka emperor
From what I remember of free wins from when I played on lower levels:
- No, both attack and defence
- Yes
- No damage
- Yes
I would say only attack. I started game (prince diff.), added a barbarian modern armor next to my warrior and my warrior got destroyed. I added 2nd warrior for myself and attacked armor and warrior won without any damage.
OscarWildebeest
Prince
I think I'll err on the side of caution until you guys can get your story straight.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
I think I'll err on the side of caution until you guys can get your story straight.
That sounds like the most reasonable course to take. Even with generous free wins, you'll hardly find yourself at a disadvantage for not embracing them.
Those free wins are good for newbies of course, but for HoF competitors, they certainly have exploitable uses.
Let's assume it's attack only : it would fit in what Leveler, Gigaz and Greeneyedzombie said. leveler's test being exactly what I intended to do, seems a valid test to me.
So how about a little abuse free XPs?
only defend until you can see enemy axemen (or at least archers)
then bring your first warrior, 0 xp, to the field and attack a strong barb on defensive terrain.
boom 10xp = heroic epic possible.
You can even go a bit further :
attack barb galleys with your unpromoted galley and make it climb the xp ladder "for free" (promoting navy is always a bit hard without this trick, isn't it?)
You can also promote your first archer for heavy CG duty if you're protective :
attack an axeman on defensive terrain, should earn level 4 if you start with 3 xp. This level 4 protective archer will kill an enemy army all by himself
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