I have noticed in a lot of videos of immortal games on youtube that the guys in the video rarely ever get DOW'ed on. However, when I play on harder difficulties, I get DOWed a lot even when I am significantly more powerful than what I see in the videos (sometimes when my power is #2 or even #1 out of 11 civs (I play huge map). However, I notice that I often get very high in civ score (usually top or near top) quite early, definitely much earlier than almost every video I watch where guys are pretty low in score until they go on some sort of rush/attack rampage. Those who have looked in the code (or not), is having a high score really THAT big a reason of getting declared on?
High Score and lots of DOW
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Early on a large part of your score comes from population, so a high score could be an indication that you are not whipping enough. The AI doesn't whip enough and grow their cities large. On immortal or deity you should rarely be at the top of the scoreboard in the early game, unless you conquer your way to twice as many cities as anyone else has.
There's a -1 diplo modifier you can get from smaller civs saying they are afraid of your large empire, or something like that. If you're at the bottom half of the scoreboard, the other civs at the bottom should give you a +1. But these are still very minor modifiers. There are much larger modifiers to be gained from trading and picking the right religion. But you should always keep an eye on what they think about each other as well. Trading with the wrong AI can give you a -4 "traded with our worst enemy" modifier with multiple civs. Usually you need to pick sides and can't befriend everyone.
Your power rating only acts as a yes/no switch for the AI when they consider war. Either you are too powerful, in which case they don't plan a war against you, or you're not, in which case they can decide to start plotting. If you aren't, it doesn't matter if you are 1% below the threshold or only have one warrior in your entire empire. On the higher difficulties it requires significant investments to reach a high enough power rating, so it's better if you can control it through diplomacy. Or maybe divert their attention to someone else by bribing them into a war.
There's a -1 diplo modifier you can get from smaller civs saying they are afraid of your large empire, or something like that. If you're at the bottom half of the scoreboard, the other civs at the bottom should give you a +1. But these are still very minor modifiers. There are much larger modifiers to be gained from trading and picking the right religion. But you should always keep an eye on what they think about each other as well. Trading with the wrong AI can give you a -4 "traded with our worst enemy" modifier with multiple civs. Usually you need to pick sides and can't befriend everyone.
Your power rating only acts as a yes/no switch for the AI when they consider war. Either you are too powerful, in which case they don't plan a war against you, or you're not, in which case they can decide to start plotting. If you aren't, it doesn't matter if you are 1% below the threshold or only have one warrior in your entire empire. On the higher difficulties it requires significant investments to reach a high enough power rating, so it's better if you can control it through diplomacy. Or maybe divert their attention to someone else by bribing them into a war.
I get high up early usually from fast early teching+killing someone nearby. I have been trying to crack the whip a lot more but I worry that it has started to hurt me in the late game. I guess I am not noticing diplomatic errors. I can only be competitive until the late game if I basically war monger like crazy most of the game which is tiresome especially on huge map. I have found it very difficult to avoid DOWs even through the BCs sometimes, so I have resorted to focusing entirely on huge military.
