Historically, who was the best historian in the history of history?

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Who was the best historian ever and why?

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I'm unhappy with "best". Too subjective a call, and it depends entirely on what how you decide to measure success, which can be done in any number of ways.
The best microhistorian? The best philosopher of history? Best general tall-tale yarn-spinner? It's like the bloody Oscars!;)

"Most influential" would at least narrow it down.
 
I'm unhappy with "best". Too subjective a call, and it depends entirely on what how you decide to measure success, which can be done in any number of ways.
The best microhistorian? The best philosopher of history? Best general tall-tale yarn-spinner? It's like the bloody Oscars!;)

"Most influential" would at least narrow it down.

use whatever critieria you think best captures the notion of "best".
 
My history teacher at school. ;) He is the closest thing to a history god upon the earth!
 
Anyone but AJP Taylor

he gets on my nerves
 
Anyone but AJP Taylor

he gets on my nerves


Why? He's my favourite. He states the other side of the argument, and doesn't get hung up on loads of stuff other historians do. He's only unpopular because he didn't always fit and wasn't afraid to be hetrodoxical.
 
Why? He's my favourite. He states the other side of the argument, and doesn't get hung up on loads of stuff other historians do. He's only unpopular because he didn't always fit and wasn't afraid to be hetrodoxical.

It just seems he always argues contrary to my personal opinions, even on things where he is vastly disproven by countless other historians

I do have to give him props for never backing down, however...
 
I can't remember verse and chapter, but I like these ideas of his:

We usually draw the wrong lessons from history: I think he was talking about Anthony Eden and Suez crisis, and how he acted on the belief that Nasser was 'the new Hitler'.

I think that is so relevant given the way the neo-cons imagined that Iraq would be like Germany 1945 all over again.

I also think he felt on one level that history was simply storytelling. He said in some languages the words 'history' and 'story' are the same, though I dont know which languages this applies to, perhaps someone on CFC can enlighten me.

You mean, you had different opinions to him, don't forget he lived through the times he wrote about.

His book Origins of the Second World War was semantic, though I have not yet read it, in portraying Hitler as an opportunist, rather than a schemer who had everything worked out from the start. At the time this view was hetrodoxical and controversial as most people belived the latter view, a kind of victors account. Personally I think his view is more reasonable and logical on the face of it. AJP Taylor recognised that there was no such thing as objectivity in history and was prepared to recognise his own values when formulating his ideas. I wish more academics in the arts would drop their pretence of objectivity when approaching history.

I think there is alot of truth in the idea that history is shaped by the politics of the present. For example, after the war he was asked to write a booklet explaining the rise of Hitler for the benefit of Allied servicemen. The idea was to portray the rise of the Nazis as an abboration or anomally of German history. This was an is an important concept because it serves to reinforce Germanys integration into Europe as a modern and progressive state. However, as he looked into the subject hed found that far from being an anomally the Nazis were a confluence of many different strands of German history. The booklet was rejected, but he expanded it into The Course of German History a very thought provoking book. Remember also that Taylor was initially a scholar of the Hapsburgs, so I don't think we should just dismiss his opinions out of hand as mere polemic.
 
I can't remember verse and chapter, but I like these ideas of his:

We usually draw the wrong lessons from history: I think he was talking about Anthony Eden and Suez crisis, and how he acted on the belief that Nasser was 'the new Hitler'.

I think that is so relevant given the way the neo-cons imagined that Iraq would be like Germany 1945 all over again.

I also think he felt on one level that history was simply storytelling. He said in some languages the words 'history' and 'story' are the same, though I dont know which languages this applies to, perhaps someone on CFC can enlighten me.

You mean, you had different opinions to him, don't forget he lived through the times he wrote about.

His book Origins of the Second World War was semantic, though I have not yet read it, in portraying Hitler as an opportunist, rather than a schemer who had everything worked out from the start. At the time this view was hetrodoxical and controversial as most people belived the latter view, a kind of victors account. Personally I think his view is more reasonable and logical on the face of it. AJP Taylor recognised that there was no such thing as objectivity in history and was prepared to recognise his own values when formulating his ideas. I wish more academics in the arts would drop their pretence of objectivity when approaching history.

I think there is alot of truth in the idea that history is shaped by the politics of the present. For example, after the war he was asked to write a booklet explaining the rise of Hitler for the benefit of Allied servicemen. The idea was to portray the rise of the Nazis as an abboration or anomally of German history. This was an is an important concept because it serves to reinforce Germanys integration into Europe as a modern and progressive state. However, as he looked into the subject hed found that far from being an anomally the Nazis were a confluence of many different strands of German history. The booklet was rejected, but he expanded it into The Course of German History a very thought provoking book. Remember also that Taylor was initially a scholar of the Hapsburgs, so I don't think we should just dismiss his opinions out of hand as mere polemic.

My disagreement stems mostly from his views on WWI, but I do see your point

Aspects of European History (I forget which years, but late 1700s to 1980s) has a large number of quotes from him, and had I read them online I would have been forced to use the dreaded rolleyes :rolleyes:
 
For lasting influence I'd put Thucydides as the most influential.:king:

He is very much part of the reason that so much of our recorded history myopically focuses on war and a fairly limited view of diplomacy and politics. That, and the fact he formulated "acribeia", acriby, his "painful thoroughness" in sifting and comparing sources.

The guy who defined what modern historians are professionally more than anyone might be old Leopold von Ranke and his Berlin school of history back in the 19th c.

Turgot and Schlöser might share credit for formulating the concept of (universal) "world history" also back in the late 18th c.

As the most influential natural historian, i.e. the guy who on balance made the most crucial contribution to our historical understanding of the non-human natural world, I would consider Georges Cuvier, early 19th c., as the inventor of palaeontology.
There is such a thing as "anti-humanist" history. If Ernst Mayr is to be believed biology should quite horsing around and admit that it is above all a historical science. (I don't think he's really though the implications through, much as he is a Nobel Prize laureate.);)

And looking at the present state of "historiography", i.e. the history of history, I think the cake might go to Reinhardt Koselleck (dead a year and a day ago today) and his "Begriffsgeschichte".
His book "Vergangene Zukunft" (Eng. transl. Futures Past) pretty much singlehandedly redefined the entire field of study some 25 years ago.:goodjob:

I'll give the philosophers of history a miss here I think.;)
 
No body here seems to have read anything by Kapu?ci?ski... :sad:
I've read "One more day to live" and "The Footboll War" a looong time ago, if that helps.:)

He certainly is one of those writers I deeply espect for showing people why history is absolutely crucial for understanding the present and humnaity in general.
Dunno' if I would consider him an historian really, but a damn fine writer and reporter.:goodjob:
 
Herodotus and Xenophon I've always liked to read. If I had to name more modern historian, I have to say I've liked John Toland very much. I mean the guy who died couple years ago, not the 17th-18th century John Toland.
 
Kapuscinski was as much a historian as Herodotus, especially now when he is dead and a part of history.

And I really recommend the below...
 
OK Kapuscinski was a bit less of a historian then Herodotus. But Herodotus also reported current events and observations, interviews etc. and in that way they are equal at the least.

Here is a nice litle oratory performance by Kapuscinski on Herodotus that I was lucky enough to film myself in Stockholm:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIG6D5yLosM
 
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