HNDY01 Babylonian Rampage (AWE C3C)

Yeah, none of our options are real good.

I think we all agree pillaging is our best shot.

Since we are thinking outside the box, should we abandon Pamplona and send both armies out to pillage? They could later hook back up when we get ready for the push to build a harbor town.

Getting both armies out will:

1. Give us opportunities for another leader. If an army stays in Sippar it will be the one defending.

2. Pillage twice as fast so we are facing weaker units that much sooner when we push north.

Maybe you should abandon Pamplona and send both armies to the north, and pack some defense into Sippar so they AI has a target. It has walls and barracks. If not that fall back to the tile N of the mountain & build a fortress so the AI has a target to attack. Thay apparently will not attack the mountain.
 
That leaves the tile to the right of our jungle city open to get past it and on towards the mountain. If they pillage the road between the mountain and the city and the cats can't retreat and units can't get to the front, it could be trouble. I was thinking of putting a fortress on road completing right now next to the city and then having the 2 group front. The bowman army on the road shouldn't get attacked and the cats and longbows should produce a leader sooner or later. The spear army will be off to pillage iron, horses and production.
Also some worker merges and get a couple settlers ready for later.
I'm praying for leaders here because we can all attest to the power of armies in C3C.
I'll be home at around 9pm pst and will post tonight.

NEED LEADERS! Yee-haw!
 
I think I agree. Lets send poth Armies north. That will give us until Nationalism to get the Iron and Horses if we keep pillaging the iron, horses, and Saltpeter.

If we wish we could send the next army we get north as well, but put a settler under it (as well as other units including a warrior to disband). We then have to take or raze Kades (Remember before Astronomy we do not have a coastal route with Kades there, and maybe not until Magnetism if Kades gets culture. and we settle right on the horses. We save up some money (if we can - we need 58*4 = 232 gold, less if we disband more units), disband a warrior, and rush a harbor. We may want to have one of the pillaging armies also join them??? Not sure. We may get some horses that will then help us advance. We could also send some workers to try to grab the iron, but I am less hopeful we can pull that off.

If we pillage enough then our continent will have nothing to trade with the other continent and fall behind in tech which will give us longer to before the really nasty units appear. Then the war for the other continent will be tough, but we will be fighting with a big base, and hopefully have the human advantage in modern warfare.

[Edit: If you don't think you can send both then don't. We don't have a huge amount of units at the moment. We can send the other one when things stabalize and we are a bit stronger. ]
 
Pre-turn 550AD – Change the N Gap build from court to spear. Would the court in 71 really help. I don’t know if it will ever get a court unless we cash rush it. Move bowman army up 1N into the jaws of the lions. Move 2 spears in pampalona back towards Sippar and abandon Pampalona. Now we are losing –11. Guns in 33. One worker for merge building in Ellippi and Nineveh and Babylon will pop one after current builds. Get a measly 38g for education from Arabs and then declare on both Arabia and China. We are now at war with the world! Give Shrups 2s tile to Uruk which does not lose the extra to corruption. Duct in 17.

IT – 3 sword, 3 spears and 2 MedI move up and our Army only takes 1 ZoC shot? – 11gpt.

[1] 560AD – Bomb on the stack. MedDI still there. Head army N. Road completes, workers putting in fortress.

IT – No attacks? In fact the units down to 2hp scatter. Palace expansion!
Nineveh – LB > Worker and growth in 2.

[2] 570 – Our 1st pillage is a game/mine tile NE of Adana. Bomb stack and Elite LB kills a MDI. A 73% vet bow knock down another MDI. We only have 3 towns building units after HE completes next turn. A potugese Carrack has cruised right by our southern shores. Still –12gpt Guns in 32.

IT – Heroic epic comes in along with 3 MDI’s and a PIKE! :eek: near Sippur.
HE > LB.

[3] – 580 – Cats are disasterous against the pike, missing first 5 shots, but finally get him down so that the E LB takes down a 3 hp MDI. Guns in 26 at –13.

IT – Lose one spear to MDI in Sippar and kill one MDI.

[4] 590 – Kill a 1hp Pike with E LB. Only 1 1hp MDI left with 3 swords and a spear parked on the hill NE. Compared to the Hittites we are STRONG? Guns in 25 –12gpt. 191g.

IT – 5 portugese ships show up off our E coast. 3 swords and the spear come to play too.

[5] 600 Pillage! Almost to iron. Bomb and kill 2 swords an a spear. Also take a shot with the E spear since there are no other units around and kill a MDI. Shuffle towards boats.

IT – Ships keep on cruising. No attacks. Army spots zulu sending Impi fodder towards us.
Babs- LB > LB
Nineveh – Spear > LB

[6] – 610 – Pillaging army jumps on Harran hill and sees a Spanish knight! Make a merge in Uruk. –11gpt. Guns in 22. 168g. Dead quiet at the northern front.

IT – We have a knight and an MDI in the favored landing zone, S of Eridu.

[7] – 620 – Our LB retreats the knight after two cat misses and then we lose 3 consecutive bowmen to a now 1 hp e MDI. A bowman pulled from Ashur kills knight and all we have left for the MDI is a 4hp warrior. Calc says 77% and he barely wins redlining. Slide a unit from Babs to Ashur for rioting.

IT – Palace expansion! No landings, but they are coming. No wait a lone MDI sits on our tundra.

[8] – 630 – 2 cats go ½. Bow takes him out with no scratch. No promotion either. Guns in 16 at –7gpt. This decrease was due to both losing 3 units and worker merges.150 in the bank. Harran gets disconnected from the front.

IT – Nada for attacks or drops. A new crew has come to Sippar. 2 spears 2 swords.
Babs – LB – Worker and growth in 1.

[9] – 640 – Lose 2 bows trying to take out a 1hp spear near Sippar. Long bow took out 1. Guns in 15 at –12gpt. 143g. We can go to guns in 12 at –12gpt but that wuld empty us and if we have saltpeter I’d like some cash. Up for discussion. Pillager on the Hittite iron.

IT – Chinese building Copes. Looks like Zulu may be attacking Harran next turn. Get this! They have 17 swords, 10 Impis and 2 archers W of Harran. The original 8 Impi “fodder” as I called it are still heading towards us. If that SOD does not attack Harran and heads towards us we’re in for a battle. Carthage drops off 3 AC’s, yes, S or Eridu on the Tundra. Hittites have dropped 2 MDI N of Mari.

[10] – 650 – Damn cats pull an O’fer on the AC’s. I have 3 LB’s and 2 bowmen.
LB wins losing 2. No promo.
LB retreats AC.
LB retreats AC.
Bow wins and I get my first promo. Was wondering if that would ever happen.
Bow wins. No more Carthage.
The MDI get bombed down to 2 and 3 hp and I have a LB that wins over the 3hp. I have nothing suitable for killing the last one so I have to swap a spear for a warrior out of Babs to cover Mari. New LB from Nineveh goes to Babs. Ellipi spears covers cats and Ellipi is undefended. Changed my mind and went after MDI with warrior losing him but Killing MDI with Spear covering cats. Sink a galley and duck into Mari. Bomb and kill 2 spears near Sippar with a warrior after 1 warrior loses. All redlined. PILLAGED THE IRON!

We are at Guns in 15 and +2gpt. 141g. It’s been heating up in the heartland and I’m saving here but I sure would like to know if Zulu are coming with that massive SOD.

>> THE SAVE <<
 
We are definitely starting to feel the "emporer" part of the game. I am glad you got the army out and pillaging Barbslinger. That may help some.

We should decide whether we want to head E or W at the divide. I am thinking that the spanish are the biggest threat at the moment.

Also I couldn't resist a 5CC AW. It will be very hard. Join us if you wish:

5CC AWM
 
HNDY01 - Survive

650 AD (0)
Hoo boy are we in trouble. We need some more offensive units, but man are there a lot of ships in our territory. Only goal on this turn is to survive. The Hittite Iron has been pillaged. I think I will head for the Spanish core with the pillaging army. I will second the motion that if that Zulu stack comes for us, we may have to retreat to the mountain.

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660 AD (1)
The Zulu units run away. :D
The Spanish units run away. :confused:
The Portugese drop off two Knights in our south. Bomb and retreat 1st Knight with LB, lose two Bows trying to kill them. Shuffle troops so that all cities have 2 defenders. LB kills 1 Hittite MDI.

670 AD (2)
Lose two battles at Shruppak, and lose the city. pRNG was not at all kind against damaged Knights, we didn't win a single hitpoint. Portugal starts Smith's. Regain Shruppak, netting 108 gold in the process and sinking 3 Portugese ships. Use proceeds to upgrade two Cats and a Bowman at Sippar. Sink Hittite Galley. Can't figure out Spanish troop movements.

680 AD (3)
Nothing much besides an amphibious landing by the Hittites. The artillery in Sippar are so bored they red-line a Zulu galley.

690 AD (4)
Kill first two Hittite interlopers. The second two may require drastic measures. Troop shuffle may result in Sippar actually getting attacked, but with odds greatly in our favor.

700 AD (5)
Win two, lose a warrior on the IT. Pillage three Spanish furs, send the Army back towards Harran, following a bunch of Spanish Knights.

710 AD (6)
Portugal start Magellan's. Zulu land a couple of Impi. I will try a neat trick, and block all possible retreat routes. Kill both Impi, kill Hittite Archer, then have to cover LB with the Spear Army. No routes to Fortress are possible, so easy retreat to status quo.

The Spanish Knights turn around, so does our Army. :crazyeye:

720 AD (7)
Portugal complete's Leo's, cascade goes all over the place. Turn begins with zero foreign troops within bombard distance. Just smack some boats.

We are starting to accumulate LB's on the front. One more leader and we can use them to push forward. The pillaging army is in Spanish territory, as I cannot figure out where the Spaniards are going. So I'll just put a hurting on them.

730 AD (8)
Accidentally attack a Spanish spear with the army :cringe:, and win losing 4 HP. By chance find Madrid.

Redline three Hittite units outside Sippar. Kill all three with LB's, no leader but another promotion. Kill Hittite Sword outside of Fortress, cover a LB with Army and man the Fortress with the Elite Spear. A few more rounds like this, and I would suggest moving on Adana. Sink Hittite Galley. Barely. Put up shore blockade on our midsection. Nothing better for the workers to do.

740 AD (9)
Nothing exciting happens.

750 AD (10)
Finally, a stack of Hittites where I can bombard them, and three elite LB's to fish with. Here goes: All 4 units red-lined, three elite wins, no leader. :( Fourth unit killed by vet LB. Not a whole lot of units from the Hittites anymore. We could move on Adana soon. Ashur to settler, Nineveh re-MM'ed to Spear.

Final Notes:
Gunpowder in 4 at break-even. We may have to pause there to run all cash for upgrades. I have no idea what is going on on our continent, but we're playing 1-on-1 with the Hittites right now, and they can't even get an attack off. This is a terrific opportunity to move the front forward by a couple of cities. I still like the two Hills on the previous dotmap. I would probably give the Hittites a couple of more turns to send units to be slaughtered at Sippar, then move 6-8 LB's covered by the army to raze Adana. It is only showing a reg Spear as top defender, so we shouldn't need artillery to take it. Maybe take the Bow army for a spin around Spain, and then meet at Harran.

I have left a few LB's scattered around our empire, as the biggest threat right now is a landing. No real method to where they are, if Ted wants to shuffle them about.

No picture, as nothing has changed.

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Playing today.


Ted
 
Hndy01-750AD

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Lots of Naval movement Portugal lands Lone Knight (NW Mari)
Arabs start Smith's

1 - 760AD
Army pillages around Madrid
Bombard Knight for 1hp
Longbow kills 3/4 Knight - phew!
Start to pull back our units into Sippar then spot the Fortress :rolleyes: - continue withdrawal moving the Army to the Fortress
Redline Hittite vet Galley (W Sippar)
Shuffle defenders to cover mountains & hills on the West coast

IBT
Portugal lands vet Longbow & vet Pike (SW Mari)
Hittites stack 3 vet MDI, 1 vet Spear, 1 vet Archer & 1 reg Archer North of Sippar
I see 3 Settlers (& their escorts) return to Madrid
Lots of Naval activity
Babylon Longbow - Longbow (needs MM as we're below 20spt)
Nineveh Spear - Trebuchet
Larsa Barracks - Spear

2 - 770AD
Deal with Portugese invaders:
Bombard Pike down to 2hp
Vet Longbow kills Pike
Vet Longbow kills Longbow
Deal with Hittite invaders:
Bombard stack knocking 2hp off Spear and MDIs
Elite Longbow kills MDI
Elite Longbow kills Spear
Elite Longbow kills Longbow
Vet Longbow kills MDI
Vet Longbow kills MDI & promotes
I leave the last unit, a reg Archer, for next turn
upgrade Cat (Ashur) for 30gp
Army pillages around Madrid
MM Babylon - the best I can get without starvation is 18spt. Not really good enough. I settle for 15spt @ +1fpt and switch production to Trebuchet
Nineveh switches to Longbow
Ashur could manage 10spt but would waste 9 as we've 19sh in the box
Eridu fires Scientist & works Forest to shave 2 turns off Aqueduct
Samarra works Forest to shave a turn off Aqueduct
Shurrupak switches to Temple as Walls won't complete until we reach size 6
Mari works Forest to get Warrior this turn

IBT
Naval movement
Spain lands 2 vet Knights (E Ellipi)
Ellipi Spear - Spear
Northern Gap Warrior - Spear
Uruk Spear - Spear
MAri Warrior - Warrior
Arabia starts Magellan's

3 - 780AD
Deal with Spanish invaders:
Bombard knocks 1hp off each
Vet Longbow forces retreat to NE Ellipi
Vet Longbow kills 3/4 Knight
Vet Bowman kills 1/4 Knight and promotes
Bombard Hittite vet Archer (N Sippar) down to 1hp
Elite Longbow kills 1/4 Archer
Army moves to cover exposed Longbow
Upgrade 3 Cats (Sippar) for 90gp
Army moves into position to pillage last 2 tiles around Madrid next turn
Research 10%

IBT
Lots of Naval movement but no landings this turn
Discover Gunpowder - Astronomy (pillaging Explorers?) at lone scientist
Babylon Trebuchet - Trebuchet
Ashur Settler - Settler

4 - 790AD
The only Saltpetre in sight is way over in Zulu territory
Our income has shot up to a staggering +18gpt
Bombard Carthagian Caravel for 1hp
Redline reg Archer (NW Sippar)
Redline reg MDI (NNE Sippar)
Redline Spanish Galley (W Sippar)
Elite Longbow kills 1/3 MDI
Army moves to cover Longbow
Elite Longbow kills 1/3 Archer
Move elite Spear & vet Spear to cover Longbow and send 2 more elite Longbow plus a reg Longbow to form Assault group to attack Adana - if Hittite Archers move then the Army & elite Longbow can join them SE of Adana next turn
Move 2 vet Spears to cover Trebuchets in Fortress
Army isolates Madrid from the rest of the Spanish Empire
Settler (Ashur) heads North
Hopefully next turn I might get a shot at taking Adana - fingers crossed :)

IBT
Typical! The Carthagians appear out of the fog and land a stack of 4 reg Ancient Cav & a reg Warrior SW of Mari. The Spanish land vet Knight, MDI & Longbow E of Ellipi. The Zulu fianlly show up with a stack of 4 vet Swords & 9 vet, 1 reg Impi 2N of Sippar and a Spanish stack (1 vet Knight, 2 vet MDI, 1 reg Longbow & 1 reg Pike) shows up SW of Kadesh.

To add insult to injury the Hittite reg Archer kills our elite Spear (NW Sippar). There goes our chance of attacking Adana this turn!
Samarra Aqueduct - Longbow

5 - 800AD
Hndy01-800AD-Ellipi.jpg

We only have 5 vet Longbows, 4 Trebuchets & 2 Cats to deal with the Spanish & Carthagian invaders so things are going to get bloody
Bombard Knight first (highest defense) down to 2hp - MDI cycles to top of stack
Bombard AC (on Forest) - 2 Trebuchets & 2 Cats fail to land a blow
Vet Longbow kills MDI losing 2hp
Vet Longbow loses to vet Knight which promotes
Vet Longbow loses to 2/5 Knight redlined
Vet Longbow kills AC
Vet Longbow kills AC
2/5 Longbow kills vet Longbow
3/5 Bowman kills 1/5 Knight
There are still 2 4/4 AC & a Warrior left & we can't cover all our hurt units and/or towns to prevent losses next turn
Hndy01-800AD-Sippar.jpg

Redline Archer (N Sippar)
Elite Longbow kills 1/3 Archer
Army moves to cover Longbow
Other units retire to Sippar and the Fortress

IBT
Our brave Warrior (Mari) kills attacking Warrior but is redlined
Mari is captured by Carthagian AC
2nd Carthagian AC moves to Mari (luckily for us)
More Zulu swords appear but Impis head for (it looks as if the Zulu might be at war with the Hittites)
Babylon Trebuchet - Trebuchet
Nineveh Longbow - Longbow
Eridu Aqueduct - Spear
Larsa Spear - Spear
Carthage start Magellan's

6 - 810AD
Well, we got off lightly there I think.

We'll have to concentrate on defending out core until the forces at Sippar produce another leader. It's just too risky at present to be thinking about capturing Adana.
Bombard Mari (1 elite and 1 vet AC) - now 3/5 & 2/4
move another vet Spear, Longbow & Trebuchet to NW Mari ( I don't think Carthage can reinforce until after next turn)
Bombard Zulu stack (4 vet Swords, NNE Sippar) down to 3 @2hp and 1 @1hp
Combat calc gives 86% chance of defeating them with 4 elite Longbow so I give it a shot
Elite Longbow kills 2/4 Sword
Elite Longbow kills 2/4 Sword
Elite Longbow kills 2/4 Sword
Elite Longbow kills 1/4 Sword
2 Spears move to Cover Longbow

IBT
Portugal lands a vet Knight SW Mari
Hittites, Zulu and Spanish all attack our 2 Spear & Longbow stack - we kill 2 MDI, 2 Archers & 1 Sword but are killed by a Spanish MDI
Lisbon (Portugal) completes Smith's
Carthage starts Magellan's
Carthage completes Magellan's
Arabs start Shakespeare's

7 - 820AD
Redline Portugese vet Knight
Bombard AC (Mari) down to 2/5 & 1/4
Vet Longbow kills 2/5 AC
Vet Warrior kills 1/4 AC and retakes Mari (0gp)
Vet Longbow dies to 1/4 Knight
Vet Longbow kills 1/4 Knight
Redline Spanish stack (NNE Sippar, 2 vet MDI, reg Pike & reg Longbow)
Elite Longbow kills 1/3 Pike
Elite Longbow kills 1/4 MDI
Vet Longbow kills 1/4 MDI
Elite Longbow kills 1/3 Longbow
Army moves to cover Longbow
Pillaging Army moves to pillage Gems next turn
Ashur switches to Longbow

IBT
Carthage want to talk - they want 60gp for Peace :) - go swivel
Spain land a reg Pike & vet Knight East of Ellipi
4 Zulu vet Swords arrive N Sippar
Another stack of Zulu (6 Sword, 6 Impi & an Archer) appear 2SW Kadesh)
Yet another Zulu stack (1 Impi, 2 Archer) appear W Kadesh
7 Spanish Knights arrive 2NE, 1N of Sippar and a couple more North of them
Spanish Knight kills Spear at Fortress
3 Portugese Caravels/Galleons appear SE crowded
Babylon Trebuchet - Trebuchet
Ellipi Spear - Spear
Uruk Spear - Longbow
Portugal starts Shakespeare's
Carthage starts Shakespeare's
China starts Shakespeare's

8 - 830AD
Hndy01-830AD-Sippar.jpg

Deal with Spanish invaders:
Bombard goes badly - 5 Trebs and 2 Cats only manage to knock 2hp off Knight and 1hp off Pike
Elite Longbow kills 2/3 Pike
Vet Longbow kills 2/4 Knight
Deal with Sippar:
Bombard Zulu stack (4 vet Swords) relining 1 and knocking 2hp off the others - all our Longbows are injured so I don't attack
Army pillages Spanish Gems
I'm reduced to shuffling troops round in our core to try and ensure that any invasion force lands SE Ellipi but I cant cover the coast East of Northern Gap

IBT
By some kind of miracle nobody lands an invasion force in our core.
The injured Zulu Sword stack retreats and is replaced by a Hittite Archer :)
The Zulu Impis advance
The Spanish Knights all disappear to the North ???

9 - 840AD
Redline Zulu stack (2 reg Impi 2 reg Swords, N Fortress)
Bombard vet Archer for 2hp (N Sippar) - can't attack as would leave attacker exposed
Elite Longbow kills Impi
Vet Longbow kills Impi
Army pillages toward Spanish Horses (next turn)
Troops heal in our core

IBT
Great! China arrives with a stack (2 reg Crusaders, 2 reg MDI, a reg Archer & a vet Rider) E Ellipi
Zulu shuffle troops at Sippar but nothing is in range of our Trebuchets/Cats
A Zulu Galley arrives S Sippar
Spain lands 2 vet Knights NE Northern Gap :eek:
Babylon Trebuchet - Trebuchet
Nineveh Longbow - Longbow
Larsa Spear - Longbow

10 - 850AD
Deal with Chinese:
Bombard stack down to 2hp each except Archer which is still 3/3
Vet Longbow kills Rider
Vet Longbow kills Crusader
Vet Longbow (3/4) kills Crusader but is redlined
Elite Bowman kills MDI
Vet Warrior kills MDI
Vet Spear loses to 3/3 Archer which promotes
Vet Spear kills 2/4 Archer
Vet Longbow kills vet Knight
There's still a 4/4 Knight NE Northern Gap so I leave a slave as bait
Army pillages Spanish Horses
Redline Zulu Galley (S Sippar)
Send 3 Trebuchets & Spear escort 2SE Sippar

Notes & save follow...


Ted
 
The Situation
Hndy01-850AD.jpg


Notes
There is a 4/4 Knight NE of Northern Gap. I've left a slave as bait and added enough units to the nearby cities to prevent an easy capture.

Sippar has had a breather this turn but will probably come under strong attack again next turn. The Fortress (NE Sippar) complicates matters because we need to defend that as well. It might be worth Pillaging the Fortress & road then pillaging the road SE of Sippar to create a killing field.

I think we're going to have to work very hard not to lose this one. We have no Iron, Horses, Saltpetre or fresh water.

It's only a matter of time before someone starts landing Cav and Spears just aren't going to cut it. We're struggling to fend off 2 stacks at a time. If we get 3 stacks landing on the same turn then we're history :(

Short of lining our coast with units, there's no way we can keep them from landing and the best place for them to land is between Ellipi & Mari. So it's important that the next player doesn't seal off that bit of coast otherwise they'll just head further South before landing and we don't have the troops down there to contain them.

The Zulu hordes arriving at Sippar have put paid to any attempt to push North until we have killed them and that's not easy in that location with all those jungle tiles & no roads.

It took me over 6 hours to play these turns so we might need to go to 5 turn sessions.

The save is > here <


Ted
 
No saltpeter. Ugh!

We are a waterless, resourceless civ :cry:

It sounds like we are really starting to feel the brunt of the Empire level AI as well.

Did we have any luck finding Spains Iron and pillaging it?

Handy, do your best fishing for a leader. Boy do we need one!
 
I think the key here will be: ARMIES, RESOURCES and did I say ARMIES!

a) Getting some more pillaging armies to take out the Hittite, Spain, Zulu iron and salt or horses before cavs.
b) Army to escort a settler to horses and salt. I don't know where the, did I understand right, the only continental salt is but hopefully near a harbor area.
c) If we can obtain the horses and salt we have a much better chance.

Getting the salt will also provide muskets for cav defense. Our only defense against AI landing cavs will be attacking first with longbows when we will be A4 vs. D3. Either way we must maximise our leader opportunities.

Lucky leader fishing Handy!
 
barbslinger,

I did everything in my power to maximise our leader chances. I think I had 17 elite wins but luck wasn't with us.

I totally agree that we're not going to be able to make any progress without another Army to take the fight to the enemy.

The only Saltpetre visible is way over in the Western Zulu lands, far beyond our reach at present. We can't even reach the Iron :(


Ted
 
I fully realize that you were undoubtably leader fishing. Perhaps, no I am stating the obvious that we need leaders. I wrote it because that was plaguing my mind at the time. We as a team have gone leaderless for 30 turns now. Not that we haven't been trying. I even went as far as taking an elite spear on offense. It is just frustrating when the post comes in and a quick scan reveals no leaders again. I in no way meant any offense Ted.

As a cheer to the next King, Leaders, leaders, leaders!. My dollar says Handy gets 2 of them so we can get out of this mess soon.
 
barbslinger,

no offense taken. I was just echoing your frustration at our lack of leaders despite trying our hardest :)

Re-reading my post I can see that it's badly worded so my apologies for that.


Ted
 
Got It and reading the reports now.

Turns I’m inclinded to leave it to the player as to whether they choose to play 5 or 10. Sometimes if you are in the middle of a campaign, or have a few slow :sleep: turns you may choose to play 10. If you are pressed for time, or it’s taking 6 hours, then 5 is certainly okay. RL does require some time occasionally. :D

If anyone thinks some people playing 10 & some playing 5 will mess up the flow of the game, please speak up. This is just a thought. If 10/5 is too confusing, we can just go to a 5 turn rotation.

I've got two weddings :love: to attend today so I may not post until Sunday.
 
For the reasons outlined by Handy that sometimes you may want to see yourself through a campaign. There are other times when you have 2-3 sg's you are up in and you can't spend the 4-5 hours.
Here's hoping for some leaders Handy!

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THE END IS NEAR :help:

Pre turn still 850 BC
There is only 1 unit in Itswaytoocrowded, so I moved a second unit there.
Move the worker 1 square to get him closer to the trebs so they can hit the knight next turn. I hope he takes the worker bait. Good Idea Ted. :D

We are waaaaay behind in this game. No rivers, no horses, no iron, and now no salt. This would be a killer on Monarch.

I’m following Ted’s suggestion to pillage the fortress next to Sippar. I’m not sure we could hold both Sippar and the fortress square. So the army pillages the square and moves back to Sippar. It’s no jungle again with no road. I pillaged the road on the first pillage, the fortress went down on the second pillage. Seems like it should be the other way around, or give you the option to select which improvement you wish to pillage. Reminds me of how angry I get at my artillery commanders when they fire and take out a marketplace. Lousy marksmen. :lol:
On the bright side, Zulu Impi attacks should give us lots of leader chances.

IBT
We are in deep doo-doo.
Arabia drops an Ansar warrior and an archer near Mari.
Eight Spanish knights (7 veterans) come out of the fog near Sippar. They are on the hill next to Pamplona’s ruins.
Several more Zulu arrive near Sippar. The current Zulu stacks total 38 units in all including 15 swords and a few archers.
A stack of 4 Portuguese Carracks move towards Mari. If they each hold 3 units, we are in trouble.
The Knight ignored the worker-bait, and killed a spear in Itswaytoocrowded
Ashur – LB – LB
Eridu – spear – spear

Turn 1 860 AD
Bomb the Ansar and the Knight to red line.
LB from Babylon kills Ansar
LB offs the Spanish knight
LN kills the Arab archer.
There were no elites close enough to attack any of these 3 targets, except for a yellow bowman in Ellipi I wanted to heal.
I’m going to chop all the forest up north so if an Ai units lands on a square they get no defensive bonus.
Bomb & sink a Spanish galley near N Gap

IBT
Six veteran Portuguese knights get off boats next to Ellipi.
China dropped a sword and a warrior off right next to them.
We will start to lose core towns or trebs (or both) in the near future I think.
Combination of our Spear Army and spears kill 9 Zulu near Sippar. The Zulu had 3 swords they could have attacked, with but chose not to. They could have killed our army is they had attacked with all units next to Sippar.
Babylon – Treb – treb
Arabs are building Bachs
The 8 Spanish knights near Sippar left and went north. Maybe they are at war with the Hittites.

Turn 2 870 Ad
Trebs & cats go 4 for 9 on the knights near Ellipi.
Since LB’s stink on defense, I’ll attack them first.
LB attacks & knight retreats.
LB attacks & knight retreats
LB kills a knight.
LB kills Chinese sword
LB kills Chinese warrior
LB attacks a redlined knight and loses. :mad:
LB attacks & kills a red lined knight.
Now there are 4 knights at 75% strength left.
Attacks at Sippar after bombing:
Elite LB kills Zulu sword
Elite kills archer
Elite kills sword
Vet LB kills sword
Vet LB loses to sword
F1 hire taxman in Shuruppak

IBT
Portuguese knights: They kill 2 of us, we kill 1 of them. They capture 1 worker.
Sippar. We kill 6 Zulu and lose zero. Again if they had all attacked they could have killed the army.
Carthage is building Bach
Samarra LB – LB
Portugal drops 1 Pike and 2 MI off next to Ellipi.

Turn 3 880 AD
Elite bowman in Ellipi gets a leader
Now, what can I spare to put into this guy? I can’t really spare longbows, but what the heck. A longbow army it is, and maybe we can start razing some AI cities. I think first I’ll kill the Portugal knights and MI on our front porch.
Bottom line, I don’t think it really matters. We are going to start losing cities very soon at the rate Portugal is sending stuff our way.
LB army kills a knight next to Babylon

The situation at Mari stinks. It holds 2 redlined LB and 1 spear. Two MI attack next turn, and the Pike will probably start to pillage. After that the LB army can kill them.
Pillage some Spanish Iron with our spear army.
At least we won’t lose a town next turn.
Bomb the MI Pike stack near Ellipi and take off a couple of points.

IBT
Arabs ask to talk.
Portugal wants to talk.
We lose 3 units on defense. Two MI beat 2 spears at Mari. The red lined knight kills a warrior at Itstoocrowded. We are down to bare bones defense.
People want to build the pentagon.
Babylon – treb – treb
Nineveh – LB – LB
Nippur – walls – spear (can’t wait for barracks)
Mari – walls – barracks
Pike pillages road next to Mari.
Arabia drops off an Ansar, musket and warrior next to Northern Gap.


Turn 4 890 AD
Bowman attack Portugal’s knight, which retreats. :mad:
Bomb Pikes and MI
LB kills Pike
LB kills MI
LB army kills MI
Miss click, kill wrong Zulu & leave LB exposed. :mad :mad: :mad:
Rush spear for $32 in Eridu
Rush Spear in N Gap for $12
Rush temple for $24 in Shuruppak
Abandon Itswaytoocrowded and move it’s lone warrior to N Gap.

IBT
N Gap – we win 2 and lose 1
Sippar – we win 4 and lose 1
Ellipi – spear – spear
N Gap – spear – spear
Eridu – spear – spear
Shuruppak – temple – barracks. :mad: I should have rush a barracks. Not paying attention.
Arabs finish Shakespeare
LB army finishes off the last Knight as well as the Ansar. Our lands currently have no AI.
Zulu’s first MI shows up

Turn 5 900 AD
Elite LB kills Impi
The Zulu stack has diminished significantly.

IBT
Babylon – Treb – Treb
Portugal is building Bach
Carthage building Bach
China building Bach
Hittites drop spear and MI off next to Eridu

Turn 6 910 BC
LB loses to Spear near Eridu. Defense is thin in the south.
Send spear from Ashur & hire a clown in Ashur.
Uruk hires a taxman
Uruk rushed LB for $32

IBT
Ibibio is razed by the Hittite MI
Ashur – LB – LB
Spear Army hangs on to defeat Zulu MI at Sippar
Uruk – LB – LB

Turn 7 920 AD
LB kills Hittite MI
Borrow spear from Eridu to cover the LB and have to hire taxman in Eridu
Sippar – bomb a couple of units. They have mostly retreated to heal.

IBT
Babylon – treb – treb
Nineveh – LB – LB
Larsa – LB – LB
Four Portuguese Carracks come out of the fog near Nippur. I hope they do not carry 12 knights.

Turn 8 930 AD
LB army is healed and leaves Sippar to head north.
LB kills spear near Eridu
Elite LB kills Hittite Pike near Sippar
Elite LB kills Hittite Pike near Sippar
LB kills archer @ Sippar & promotes
Only three LB in Sippar now, but 1 more is on the way. We could have killed more units if we had more LB.

IBT
Arabs are building Newton
Four additional Portuguese Carracks come out of the fog near Nippur. This brings the total to 8 carracks. They are going for the furs at Nimrud it looks like. Bummer, we are going to lose the furs.

Turn 9 940 AD
Available units head to protect the furs.
Kill 2 units at Sippar. No leaders.
Pentagon might be a good idea for the next leader

IBT
Hittites want to talk
Carthage drops LB off near Eridu
Babylon – Treb – Treb
Ellipi – spear – spear
Portugal is building Newton
Carthage building Newton
China building Newton
More carracks show up.
There are now a total of 16 Portuguese carracks on the screen
These units landed in our southern region:
Three Spanish knights and a pike
Four Portuguese MI and 1 knight and 1 pike
We are hopelessly outmanned.
Near Sippar there are now 12 Spanish Knights.

Turn 10 950 AD
Abandon Nimrud and send units north toward Samarra.
Battle of Samarra:
LB kills Pike
LB kills knight
LB kills MI
Elite Bowman kills MI
Battle of Sippar:

Notes
The end is near.
AI razed 1 city and I abandoned 2. They were all crappy little cities.
The Ai is poised to raze some important cities soon (if not next turn).
Three knights will be able to attack Uruk next turn versus 2 spears and an LB.
Shuruppak has a lone spear defender
I think Portugal will drop more units off next turn. They have at least 16 ships ferrying troops over from Portugal.
The LB army is on a banana NE of Sippar. The LB army is too little too late I am afraid.

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