HNDY05a AWS Tiny Mayan

I'm not at all sure how we win this.
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About the only chance I see is to somehow land a pillaging army overseas, get the horses, and hang onto the hope we have saltpeter on our island. No Salt, we are in deep doo-doo.

Of course we'll need some boats to land an army, and we'll need to survive the IBT when we land. :D

Slinger
T_McC
Yom is UP
Greebley
Handy
 
Lurking...

Why don't you try to even out the Incans/Greek land. What I mean is the Greeks have more land right now. Do everything in your power to take out a few greek cities and hope that inca resettles there. Do the same with the other civs and eventually, you can start picking them apart.
 
I got it.

@Locomotive: It's not that simple. We don't have the power to take ANY Greek cities, much less try to even the balance between them and the Inca. Our best attackers are AC and they don't stand a chance against fortified muskets in Cities.

@T_McC: Why did you opt for an FP over an army? I'm not sure how we are going to win this, but an AC army to take the horse city would have been tempting. Do we have enough galleys to make a landing yet? Without Horses and some luck with saltpeter, I'm not sure how we're going to win this short of using Guerillas.
 
Uhh ... we don't have any Galleys since we don't have MM yet.

I took the FP because we'll get another leader before we can research Map Making, and it bumped our economy by 25%. I think our economy is as big a problem as the lack of resources. [Problem with Mayans: Only 1 cheap building]
 
T_McC said:
Uhh ... we don't have any Galleys since we don't have MM yet.

I took the FP because we'll get another leader before we can research Map Making, and it bumped our economy by 25%. I think our economy is as big a problem as the lack of resources. [Problem with Mayans: Only 1 cheap building]
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Yeah, that's the problem. Everything we need we don't have. Army... galleys... tanks... :)

I kinda thought you might research MM next. Hard to prioritize when we need desperately need everything. :lol:
 
:( Please Skip me. I'm sorry for the extremely long delay, but between the Olympics, Summer Work, my New Job, and my parents restricting my internet time, I really couldn't find any time to play this.
 
Early: Some landings. We don't have enough Cats, so I poor RNG loses us a few units.
We get philosophy (why were we researching that??) and start map making(7 turns which I work down to 5 turns)

Mid: Learn Map Making and start Polytheism

Late: Huge landing in 330 AD - 3 longbow, 2 MDI, 1 knight, 3 muskets all on one square. Dealing with this stack is very costly in terms of units.

Notes:
I gained several slaves on my turn and merged in native workers (especially to push towns over size 6). I also build more catapults.

I had horrible luck with our Ancient cavs and lost several battles with the odds on our side. It was very nasty. The Javs in general did as well with fewer HP and 1 less attack value.

We have:
2 workers, 10 spearmen, 13 Cats, 1 army, 12 Jav (3 in army), 4 Ancient Cav.
 
I don't think we can pillage without another army to do so. We have nothing over defense 2. I think the timing of when we get the leader should determine which to go for first. If we have no leader then go for the horses.

It might also be a good idea to build a twelth town. We will want 3 armies at some point so we can get pentagon. Find some spot that has a lot of unclaimed coast and build a fishing village.
 
Firstly, agree that pillaging the Greek/Incan continent will do us more good than getting Horses. I think we can land on a Hill adjacent to the Horse city, so we may not need an army to raze/replace although it would make things much easier. (Actually, the best thing we could do is to pillage the Carthaginians, if we could find them. :rolleyes: )

Like I said in my turnlog, we were researching Philosophy because we just about busted and had to generate some cash for deficit research. We were going to get Philosophy in 4 turns regardless, but this way we got MM and Philosophy at least 2 turns earlier than by researching MM first. We should also now have larger cities and more Markets and Courts to aid the research of the more expensive techs.

It sounds like we should be heading for Monarchy (I think Poly is the last required tech). Unfortunately I think we also have to get Lit. In the MA maybe we should prioritize Invention? Longbows are a cheap upgrade from Javs and make a decent attack force to hide under an Army. Plus we can more quickly reach the inevitable point where we see we don't have any saltpeter either.
 
I would go for monarchy and then Lit. We really need the extra MP and the food bonus so we can grow. We are also researching based largely on scientists which are not helped by libraries.

The reason for Phosophy makes sense I guess. I didn't have your post in front of me when I played, and I missed the fact (or forgot) we were researching it when I previously read it. Mostly it suprised me given our pressing need for map making and monarchy (and lit)
 
Too Much Horse Power :(

HNDY05a 350AD
MM Chichen to get to 15 spt for 2 turn javs

IBT
Ugh. Greece lands a rather impressive stack of 1 musket, 2 knights & 3 LBs E of Calakmul. We are way out gunned.
Chichen – jav – jav
Tikal – harbor – court that’ll bump us to 10spt
Yax – galley – galley. On the off chance we last long enough to actually land a pillaging army, we’ll probably need to land 10 javs in the hopes three will survive.

Turn 1 360
Shuffle some units. We’ll likely lose Calakmul.

IBT
Greeks take Calakmul

Turn 2 370
Position cats for retaking Calakmul
Going to try to explore with the galley a little. Move 2, fortify, move 2 fortify, etc.

IBT
Greeks build Magellan

Turn 3 380
Chicken out & call galley home.

IBT
This is un-good. Carthage has dropped an uber-stack next to Bonampak. 2 Knights, 1 LB, 4MI, 4 Muskets and 3 Numidians. That’s 14 in all, each of which is better than our best unit. Let’s see if we can survive to the end of my turns.
Poly – monarchy

Turn 4 390

IBT
Carthage takes Bonampak.
Greece drops 2 cavalry & 1 crusader next to Copan.

Turn 5 400
Each city left has 2 defenders.
Off a couple of Numidians with cat help.

IBT
Greek cavalry takes Copan.

Turn 6 410
Kill a Greek cav, LB, Musket

IBT
Lagartero goes to Carthage, cutting off our Ivory. Massive demonstrations demand the removal of General handy. The people want to raze the Palace and build a Wal-Mart.
Greece drops off 3 more Knights

Turn 7 420
Soon this will be a OCC.

IBT
Fat lady begins to sing
Greece drops off 2 crusaders, 4 knights, 1 LB.
Mayan Angelou goes Greek.
Carthage wants peace. :lol:
Greeks raze Statue of Zeus
Next IBT we’ll lose the dyes.

Turn 8 430
Kill some Greeks

Turn 9 440
No memory of this turn


IBT
More Greek cavalry land
Yax falls


Turn 10 450
Kill some knights.

Notes:
We are toast. :(
 

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Sudden Indeed! :eek:

I thought we had a decent start being alone, but no Iron made for a very tough row to hoe. We even got the break of other people fighting. But eventually we just got horribly out-produced.

I'm not sure having Iron would have made much of a difference, unless our having it denied it to the Greeks or Carthage. And our isolated start wasn't that isolated. Had we shared a continent with Greece or Carthage we could have dictated where the attacks were to come, and have access to their resources. I hadn't thought that would be the downside of an isolated start, but it was.

If/when we do this again, I might question the value of Agricultural on a small map. We got our capital an extra food, but no other cities could be built to take advantage of the trait in Despotism. I think Commercial would be more useful to us.

Oh well, we still have the Sumerians!
 
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