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Holy Crusade

Discussion in 'Mafia/NOTW' started by Jarrema, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. Visorslash

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    Yog Sothoth, Yog Sothoth...
     
  2. NinjaCow64

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    I knew that Visor was scum ever since I scanned him with two of the Reglia. But I couldn't tell anyone about that without putting myself in a predicament, hence the problem.
     
  3. topsecret

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    We won! :w00t: I was afraid Visor or BSmith was scum, so I suggested we reach the end!

    Congratulations, brothers.
     
  4. Visorslash

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    I will post my indepth thoughts later tonight.

    Good game jarrema.
    Well played townies, you got lucky. :p
     
  5. Earthling

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    Town coordination finished it well at the end, didn't see a way they weren't going to make it.

    Thanks for hosting Jarrema, know you didn't get the numbers or probably participation you wanted but the game got together well.
     
  6. Jarrema

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    game was interesting to watch and I hope interesting to play. But it went very different that I wanted it to be, due to inactivity of some players. And it was thus harsh for some players, like Cardith Lorda, who could not be upgraded because his college lacked a leader, because none player voted for new one (and Cardith, as an initiate, could not vote for it)
     
  7. Jarrema

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    I would try to count victory points for every role. Please check if it is correct for yours.

    Roles:

    Ninjacow
    Spoiler :
    Artifact thief
    Faction: Himself (serial killer, kind of).
    Abilities: You can attack at night and do 3 HP of damage. If your target has any items, you will learn about it. If he is killed by your attack or left at 0 HP, you steal his item(s).
    You have 6 HP.
    At the beginning of the game you must choose one of following abilities:
    (a) your corruption is well hidden: as long as you do not have any evil artifact, you will scan as a good person;
    (b) your corruption has given you fiendish resilience: each night you heal 1 HP, even if not resting (rest does nothing for you);
    (c) your corruption has given you fiendish charisma: you have one additional, secret lynch vote each day, and you are tiebreaker.
    Restriction: You cannot vote items for yourself.
    Victory conditions: All 4 Regalia at hands of artifact thief: 3 Victory Points, ends game. Personally slay at least one paladin: 2 Victory Points. Never lose any fight: 1 Victory Point.
    Cover role: INSERT HOLY WARRIOR ROLE HERE
    1 victory point

    Earthling
    Spoiler :
    Cult Leader
    Faction: Himself (and potentially cult members).
    Abilities: You can scan one player at night You will learn about his role and items carried (if any).
    You can also pray to your master for enlightenment. Then, you will get info about any role (full description), path (full description of consequences) or item (full description) you choose. You can use this ability only three times, but it did not interfere with scanning someone and can be used at day or night.
    You have 6 hit points.
    You can send me secret vote for any purpose other than lynch. Both your normal and secret votes would be counted.
    You start the game with the Coin of Corrupted Luck.
    Restriction: None
    Victory conditions: All 4 Regalia at hands of cult members: 3 Victory Points, ends game. Convert at least one player: 2 Victory Points. Survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    Cover role: INSERT DISCIPLE ROLE HERE
    Coin of Corrupted Luck (name for other characters who see it: coin of luck): if owner is going to be killed, he is left with 0 HP instead. Coin can save someone only once, and then its magic is gone (also it's secret atribute). Secret attribute: coin counts as cursed item (one of Regalia) for the purpose of scan results and cult recruitment. You can give it to anyone as a night action; he cannot refuse it. If someone become cult member because of being given this coin, its magic will be gone.
    Balzebuul cult (devil worshippers):
    Any non-scum character having 3 regalia will become member of cult. Also, no-scum character having 2 regalia and using them 2 times in a row will become member of cult. Also, no-scum character having 2 regalia and breaking his code of conduct will become member of cult. Character with 2 regalia can be also recruited by cult leader by giving him coin of corruped luck. At the moment of becoming cult member, due to unavoidable internal conflict, character drops some Regalia (he is left with only one of them). Cult members know each other (shared qt).
    0 VP

    Visorslash
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    Blackguard
    Faction: Demon worshippers (mafia).
    Abilities: you can attack at night and do 3 HP damage
    Restriction: No restriction. Paladin's restriction is no longer valid for you, as you are entirely corrupted. But others may still think that you are paladin, so you may want to behave appropriately
    Victory conditions: All 4 Regalia at hands of mafia members: 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Use Scepter or set of 2 or more Regalia (any) during attack on member of Order of the Sword: 2 Victory Points.
    Survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    Mafia qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NvHBWRMmyDB

    Cover role: INSERT PALADIN ROLE HERE
    3 VP: draw

    Dreadnought
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    Doom sensate (corrupted mystic)
    Faction: Demon worshippers (mafia).
    Abilities: you can enter a meditative state for a cost of one HP during any night. During night when you are at this state, you will learn a name of every person that is targeting you (but not what that person tried to do to you).
    Resting is more effective on you; you get 2 HP from resting.
    You start game with Crown of Madness
    Restriction: No restriction. Mystic's restrictions are no longer valid for you, as you are entirely corrupted. But others may still think that you are mystic, so you may want to behave appropriately
    Victory conditions: All 4 Regalia at hands of mafia members: 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Use set of 2 or more Regalia successfully two nights in a row: 2 Victory Points.
    Use your ability to detect person attacking you at night: 1 Victory Point.
    Mafia qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NvHBWRMmyDB

    Crown of Madness. You can use this crown during night and send someone maddening nightmare. This person would be convinced about one of following things: that he was attacked (it will be NOT described in the thread), that he has seen some kind of monster, that character who he was scanning is some kind of monster, or something similar; he could also just get false results for using his abilities, if he uses any (I will decide about one of this effects). On following day, you must (should) act in one of this ways: (a) vote for at least 3 different persons during a day; (b) make a case against someone (at least few sentences showing why he is scummy; must be done during first half of day) and then, in the same post, say something like: anyway, I will vote for… (and there goes a name of player whom you did not accuse); (c) vote for yourself (during first half of day, and do not change your vote later), saying something like: it will be better for us all if I just die. If prophet or initiate uses Crown, he loses his ability for the rest of a game.

    Cover role: INSERT MYSTIC ROLE HERE
    0 VP

    Autolycus
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    Corrupted priest
    Faction: Demon worshippers (mafia).
    Abilities: You can roleblock other character every other night. You cannot role block the same person twice in a row (be warned! Non-corrupted priest do not have this ability).
    You can conduct services in the same way real priest do, but if you are the only one who conduct this service, results may be warped, or visibly evil, and typically detrimental for a town (especially if you wear any Regalia), but also for you.
    Restriction: No restriction. Priest's restrictions are no longer valid for you, as you are entirely corrupted. But others may still think that you are priest, so you may want to behave appropriately
    Victory conditions: All 4 Regalia at hands of mafia members: 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Conduct the mess wearing Vestment of Deceit or any 2 Regalia; you have to do it while being the only priest alive: 2 Victory Points.
    Survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    Mafia qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NvHBWRMmyDB

    Cover role: INSERT PRIEST ROLE HERE
    0 VP

    BSmith
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    Holy warrior
    Faction: Town. Order of the sword.
    Abilities:You can attack at night. Or, you can protect one character (it is only partial protection, i.e. attack against this character would do less damage). You cannot protect yourself.
    Restriction: You should always listen to others, more important than you, humble apprentice (you are trying to become templar or paladin). You cannot vote for other things than lynch.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Become member of advanced class (paladin or templar): 2 Victory Points.
    At least two members of your order (not counting you) survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    6 victory points, total victory

    Topsecret
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    Templar
    Faction: Town. Order of the sword. Leader of the Order.
    Abilities:You can protect one character during night. You cannot protect yourself. First attack against protected character will fail, others will be weaker than normal.
    You are effective at defense, you take one point of damage less.
    As a leader of the Order of the Sword you have following ability: your support vote for members of your order counts double.
    Restriction: You believe in value of sticking to your first decisions – you cannot change your vote.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Your order has highest number of members at end of game: 2 Victory Points.
    Survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    6 victory points, total victory

    Spaceman
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    Templar
    Faction: Town. Order of the sword.
    Abilities:You can protect one character during night. You cannot protect yourself. First attack against protected character will fail, others will be weaker than normal.
    You are effective at defense, you take one point of damage less.
    You start the game with the Scepter of Vengeance
    Restriction: You believe in value of sticking to your first decisions – you cannot change your vote.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Successfully protect someone against night attack: 2 Victory Points.
    Starting leader of your order survives until end of the game: 1 Victory Point
    Scepter of Vengeance. You can attack others at night, and your attacks are more vicious (you will deal 2 HP damage, as if you were a paladin). If you attack person who voted for you last day, you deal additional two points of damage. If healer or spiritual leader uses Scepter, he loses his healing ability for the rest of a game. You cannot vote for no lynch (or use support vote) at day after using this item, and if someone is voting for you, you must vote for him. If more than one person is voting for you, you may choose for whom you vote; but at the end of day your vote should be put on person who is voting for you (if there is any)
    4 victory points (? I am not sure here...); minor victory

    The Black Knigh
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    Paladin
    Faction: Town. Order of the sword.
    Abilities:You can attack at night.
    Restriction: If you kill good character with your attack, you must pray for the whole night. During next night, you cannot use your abilities or items, and you cannot rest.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Personally slay evil character: 2 Victory Points.
    Become leader of your order: 1 Victory Point
    3 victory points (?); draw


    Cardith Lorda
    Spoiler :
    Initiate
    Faction: Town. Order of the hand.
    Abilities:You can heal another player for one point of damage (two if he is a martial arts master or have 0 or 1 HP left). You can also enter defensive stance during night as a night action – if you do so, all attacks deal you one less point of damage.
    Restriction: You should always listen to others, more important than you, humble apprentice (you are trying to become mystic or healer). You cannot vote for other things than lynch.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Become member of advanced class (mystic or healer): 2 Victory Points.
    At least two members of your order (not counting you) survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    3 victory points; draw


    Southernking
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    Martial arts master
    Faction: Town. Order of the hand.
    Abilities:You always lose one HP less than he would without this ability. Also, healing is more effective on you; you get 2 HP from healing.
    Restriction: You cannot use items and should not vote them for yourself.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Personally slay evil monster: 2 Victory Points.
    Starting leader of your order survives until end of the game: 1 Victory Point
    3 Victory Points, draw


    Johnhughtom
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    Healer
    Faction: Town. Order of the hand. Leader of the Order.
    Abilities:You can heal other character at night. Mostly, it would give healed character 1 HP if he was wounded. If martial arts master or character with only 0-1 hp left is healed, healing gives 2 HP. Also, if you heal character who voted for you during last day, you will heal him for one additional HP. If you try to heal someone that is at full health, AND you would heal him for more than one HP otherwise, then he gets one temporal HP, that he will lost at the end of following nigh if he will still have more than 5 HP. You cannot heal yourself.
    As a leader of the Order of the Hand you have following ability: your support vote for members of your order counts double.
    Restriction: You abhor vengeance and cannot ever vote for person who voted for you during the same day or during previous one. You do not have to change your vote if placed correctly, even if situation changes.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Your order has highest number of members at end of game: 2 Victory Points.
    Survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    3 victory points, draw

    CivCube
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    Healer
    Faction: Town. Order of the hand.
    Abilities:You can heal other character at night. Mostly, it would give healed character 1 HP if he was wounded. If martial arts master or character with only 0-1 hp left is healed, healing gives 2 HP. Also, if you heal character who voted for you during last day, you will heal him for one additional HP. If you try to heal someone that is at full health, AND you would heal him for more than one HP otherwise, then he gets one temporal HP, that he will lost at the end of following nigh if he will still have more than 5 HP. You cannot heal yourself.
    You start game with the Vestment of Deceit.
    Restriction: You abhor vengeance and cannot ever vote for person who voted for you during the same day or during previous one. You do not have to change your vote if placed correctly, even if situation changes.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Give someone temporal HP using your ability: 2 Victory Points.
    Become leader of your order: 1 Victory Point
    Vestment of Deceit. You can use this vestment during day (or night) and get one additional, anonymous vote that should be PMed to me. You can use this vote for any purpose: lynch, voting for items, voting for other things. If holy warrior, paladin or templar uses Vestment, he loses his ability to protect for the rest of a game. You cannot tell the truth during the day when you use this item. Lie about everything or do not speak (role-play this).
    3 VP, draw

    Classical Hero
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    Mystic
    Faction: Town. Order of the hand.
    Abilities: You can enter a meditative state for a cost of one HP during any night. During night when you are at this state, you will learn a name of every person that is targeting you (but not what that person tried to do to you). Also, resting is more effective on you; you get 2 HP from resting
    Restriction: You cannot use weapons. You should always tell the truth (role-play this)
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Try how it is like to use evil item at least once: 2 Victory Points.
    Starting leader of your order survives until end of game: 1 Victory Point
    3 VP, draw

    Gone 3 the Celt
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    Disciple
    Faction: Town. Order of the Staff.
    Abilities:You can roleblock other character every night. You cannot role block the same person twice in a row.
    Restriction: You should always listen to others, more important than you, humble apprentice (you are trying to become priest or prophet). You cannot vote for other things than lynch.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Become member of advanced class (priest or prophet): 2 Victory Points.
    At least two members of your order (not counting you) survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    3 VP, draw

    Xenoneb
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    Priest
    Faction: Town. Order of the Staff.
    Abilities: You can conduct a religious service every evening (will happen between day and night). During day, all party members can vote what the result of this service will be.
    Restriction: You are humble and you think about yourself as unimportant person. You cannot benefit from protection during night.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Conduct service at one of the holy places: 2 Victory Points.
    Become leader of your order: 1 Victory Point.
    5 VP, but I think it was too easy

    SamSniped
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    Prophet
    Faction: Town. Order of the Staff.
    Abilities: You can scan other character at night and learn if his aura is good or evil. Mafia players, other anti-town players, and players carrying Regalia have evil aura. Also, if anyone is carrying two regalia at the same time, he would have evil aura for the rest of the game, even if he no longer have any of them.
    You start game with the Orb of Pride
    Restriction: You are very peaceful and cannot vote for person who will be lynched (you can’t vote for a leading candidate for lynch, and you cannot vote if your vote would tie someone with a leading candidate; you do not have to change your vote if placed correctly, even if situation changes; also, you are allowed to vote for someone who was not voted by anyone yet).
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Try how it is like to use evil item at least once: 2 Victory Points.
    Starting leader of your order survives until end of a game: 1 Victory Point.
    Orb of Pride. You are protected against attacks when you use this item (each attack deals you 1 less point of damage). Using it during night is a free action. If priest, disciple or mystic uses Orb, he loses all his abilities. If you use orb, during following day you should boast about yourself and your importance, and if someone will vote for you, you must defend (role-play this).
    3 VP, draw

    Mat93
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    Spiritual leader
    Faction: Town. Order of the Staff. Leader of the order
    Abilities: You can protect one character against madness at night. Your vote counts double for any purposes other than lynch.
    As a leader of the Order of the Sword you have following ability: your support vote for members of your order counts double.
    Restriction: If you participate in lynching good character, you must pray for the whole night. During this night, you cannot use your abilities or items, and you cannot rest.
    Victory conditions: All Regalia destroyed or it is sure they would be (all scum factions eliminated): 3 Victory Points, ends game.
    Your order has highest number of members at end of game: 2 Victory Points.
    Survive until end of the game: 1 Victory Point.
    3 VP, draw
     
  8. Jarrema

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    I think that the most important player in this game was Visorslash. Not only he almost achieved mafia victory after infiltrating town network, being protected and healed by town players. Also, by collecting a lot of items, he prevented any cult conversions (if he was town character, he would meet conversion requirements three times at least)
     
  9. Jarrema

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    Total victory (6 VP):
    BSmith, Topsecret

    Major victory (5 VP):
    Xenoneb

    Minor victory: (4 VP)
    Spaceman

    Draw: (3 VP):
    Cardith Lorda, CivCube, Classical Hero, Gone 3 the Celt, johnhughtom, Mat93, SamSniped, SouthernKing, The Black Knigh, Visorslash

    Minor defeat: (2 VP)
    -

    Major defeat: (1 VP)
    NinjaCow

    Total defeat: (0 VP)
    Autolycus, Dreadnought, Earthling
     
  10. Gone 3 the Celt

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    Woohoo basically getting killed day 1 yet still manage to achieve a draw. I'm proud of myself, because I literally did nothing.

    Great game, Jarrema, I had a good time lurking the thread before and after I was dead.
     
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    I wish I would have had a chance to role-play more, but for that to happen I would have needed leaders in my order to do things =/

    Oh well, very much enjoyed it, other than the fact that one of the people who won total victory jumped me for no good reason one of the last nights...
     
  12. Jarrema

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    I think that it was partialy due to mafia trying to make you suspicious
     
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    Really surprised I wasn't metagamed after JoanK leaving both games at the same time as scum (with him saying he could still play if necessary). Anyway, I think the game was a bit unbalanced not only due to inactivity, but some of the roles, think town was a bit powerful (though the cult got screwed by myself). Autolycus did a good job of a poor situation, though I was forced to bus him fairly early. I did my best to buy us both some time, and got the scan and lynch off us. I also suspected (and told the confirmed townies) that earthling, ninja and auto were (in my opinion) scum and I managed to do quite well for our team. If it wasn't for that secret vote, the game would (hopefully) have been the mafias. Still, I think we did a pretty damn good job considering the situation, with no guarenteed night kill, other scum team not doing much (don't know what ninja was up to), lots of healers and protectors.

    Anyway, I had fun fooling and killing you guys again, and I still had Bsmith and topsecret under my control until the end, so I'm pretty happy with that. Thanks for the game everyone, I enjoyed it and had a lot of fun.

    Can't believe you bought the fact that I decided to not attack anyone the night Mat died. That was my all or nothing moment.
     
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    Earthling actually messaged me and told me he suspected you as scum.

    If I had actually remembered about protecting Mat, your all-or-nothing would've really been nothing. :p My mistake.
     
  15. Jarrema

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    Ninja was injurted early.
    Earthling did not manage to convert anyone; there was a moment when he thought he is very close to victory, then one night changed everything.
    Visor... was close to victory, I think. There were thing with Ninja's hidden vote, and also with topsecret missing this vote (and topsecret also had amulet of mental health, which enhanced his vote)

    Role I have for mafia in my mind was to weaken a lot of characters and stop pilgrimage from travelling further. Therefore, their killing ability was not potent
     
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    Topsecret, the reason I attacked mat was because you said you were going to protect the camp. It wasn't a matter of you forgetting to protect mat. Jarrema, what were the mistakes you made that you mentioned in the Qts, and if you don't mind, what were the synergy powers for all the regalia?

    I don't think the mafia had much wounding potential besides the corrupted paladin. I can understand the priest role (though that only gets one use then lynch/nightkill) and the doom sensate wasn't really useful (ofc Dreadnaught was inactive).

    Would the crown ever had been worthwhile using? I never really saw the point of it.
     
  17. Jarrema

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    I do not remember what mistake it was, I suppose it was about damage (I miscalculated some).

    I thought that blackguard would be 'heavy hitter' and two others would attack wounded characters in order to wound them more. 1-2 HP attack could make a difference between character walking by himself, and a character in need of help.

    Crown would be useful in connection with other items, and if you have some kind of plan (what story you would like town to believe in)
     
  18. Jarrema

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    Synergies for having 2 items:
    1. Vestment + Orb: One additional vote when using Vestment, you heal one HP per night automatically
    2. Scepter + Orb: Half of HP lost by your target (rounded down, at least 1) is vile damage and cannot be healed in any way. Only works if attacked character voted for you last day
    3. Vestment + Scepter: if character attacked by you votes for you following day, his vote would not count
    4. Crown + Scepter: player attacked by you will suffer from your maddening nightmare ability if he survives
    5. Crown + Orb: You can scan someone and learn what his role is
    6. Crown + Vestment: You can manipulate vote of chosen player instead of getting anonymous vote: you PM me for whom this player’s vote would count. In description I will write something like “at last possible moment, Jarema changed his vote and voted for Pamara”. This player will suffer all consequences of changed vote (for example, if according to his role he cannot vote for someone who votes for him, but he does, he would be punished by good deities)
    Additionally, character having any 3 regalia gets 1 less damage from all fights (to the minimum of 1 damage)

    Synergies for having 3 items:
    1. Crown, Vestment & Scepter: if player who voted for you attacks you at night, you deal him 1 point of damage and he suffers from maddening nightmare (only one player)
    2. Crown, Vestment & Orb: player who’s vote you manipulated will suffer from maddening nightmare
    3. Crown, Scepter & Orb: you automatically scan your attack target’s role. 2/3 of damage (rounded up) done to your target is vile (only if attacked character voted for you last day)
    4. Vestment, Scepter & Orb: one of characters voting for you at the end of day will lose 2 HP; you can choose that player
    Additionally, character having three of regalia:
    1. If not evil already (mafia, cult or thief), he turns to cult. His victory condition changes for: having all four items. He is stripped of all class abilities. Description will show that it happened, and to member of what order
    2. If evil and not cult member, he can summon demon at first night after acquiring third Regalia. Demon will drain 2 HP from its summoner, and then attack chosen target with great strength (dealing up to 5 HP of damage). Demon will refuse to attack someone carrying one of Regalia, or being member of Balzebuul Cult
    If character having any of Regalia dies, then this item would be voted for other person. Character having any of these items can give them to other person during night if he wants.
    Character having any of Regalia scans as evil.
    Character that has two Regalia is surrounded with aura of evil for the rest of a game.


    I cant find description of other items and their relations with Regalia
     
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