No, I don't believe any of it. I'm simply interpreting the flood story logically.
In one of my other threads, I discussed why god is an alien. I'll find the thread in question later.
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No, I don't believe any of it. I'm simply interpreting the flood story logically.
In one of my other threads, I discussed why god is an alien. I'll find the thread in question later.
Ecofarm
Deity
I disagree. If I could not take him in a full frontal assault (I'm quite sure I could), then I'm pretty sure I could out-smart him.
If worse came to worst, there's only 1 of him and many of us.
Margim
Footy's back.
Fair point... and one of the reasons I don't sit with the account of God in the Old Testament as all that accurate.
Enkidu Warrior
Ultramagnetic
No, I felt the need to break up the howls of the haters whose nerves your comparison struck. The responses your scenario has stirred are quite telling.
bathsheba666
Fast 'n Bulbous
Then start sacrificing virgins and goats, and summon my enemy's enemy.
Here it is:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=232093
Basically, it's like this:
Was god born on Earth? No
Is god a human being? No
Therefore, god is an alien.
Please note that this isn't a negative or positive statement. It's simply a statement of what is. It's just as factual as saying that the Earth revolves around the sun.
Okay, but your question is assuming the existence of God as fact. So if we take that as fact, can we also take as fact that he created the universe? And if we go that far, can we not also say that he permeats every facet of his creation? IN other words, he is no alien to earth as he is a part of it. He's in every rock and tree and stream and stormcloud. Given that, how can he be an alien?
Ecofarm
Deity
Because he is not from here. We have Mexicans working in every restroom, resturant kitchen and lawn maintenance program from CA to FL but they are still aliens.
Spoiler :
Basically, god is an illegal alien. He's leeching off our services and stealin er jerbs! And he is unauthorized authority. A real bad character, if you ask me. I bet he is in, like, MS13.
Logically!
OK, here's my response to your 'logic':
-An alien is a non-human being not born on Earth.
-Jesus Christ was a man, born on Earth.
-Jesus Christ was not an alien.
-Jesus Christ was fully man, and fully God.
-Conclusion: God is not an alien.
See? I can be all logical and crap too.
And yet, that doesn't change the fact that this is a dumb discussion. Of course, I could continue and talk about how your parallel is stupid, because we don't know if we can fight aliens, but we know we can't fight God, and how there was no way for man to fight back in the Flood story, or how there's no mention of why the aliens/God are attacking, or....well, you see my point. Or more likely, you don't, and you'll continue to stubbornly insist that you've thought up some brilliant, shocking critique of Christianity.
Actually, Christianity simply doesn't make sense at all. And I was looking at this one particular story. And if Jesus was a human, then for all of god's existance, before Jesus was born, he surely wasn't a human. The whole Jesus = god thing is one of the most nonsensical things ever invented. Jesus would be best described as a human alien hybrid.Logically!
OK, here's my response to your 'logic':
-An alien is a non-human being not born on Earth.
-Jesus Christ was a man, born on Earth.
-Jesus Christ was not an alien.
-Jesus Christ was fully man, and fully God.
-Conclusion: God is not an alien.
See? I can be all logical and crap too.
Of course, I could continue and talk about how your parallel is stupid, because we don't know if we can fight aliens, but we know we can't fight God, and how there was no way for man to fight back in the Flood story, or how there's no mention of why the aliens/God are attacking, or....well, you see my point. Or more likely, you don't, and you'll continue to stubbornly insist that you've thought up some brilliant, shocking critique of Christianity.
There was no need to mention why the aliens were attacking in my opening post. I could have said, "They decided that 99% of Earth life was immoral, based on their own morals, whatever those are," but then, that might tip off some posters that the whole thing was about the Jewish flood story.
If god permeates every facet of its creation, then it seems more like god just doesn't exist. If it's in everything and it's everywhere, then it seems like god is simply energy, and there's no need to call it "god". What you describe is more like Star Wars's "the force".
And since god never originated on Earth, he's still an alien.
Ecofarm
Deity
See? I can be all logical and crap too.
So, god does not = illegal mexican in MS13?
You can't choose a few aspects of Christianity and Christian ideas that kind of work with your comparison, and then toss out the others that completely invalidate it. That's dishonest.
Whether Jesus Christ really is God, or whether that even makes sense actually doesn't matter here. The fact is, according to Christianity, that is so. If you are going to make a statement about the Christian God, then that is a valid aspect to use in criticizing your statement. Like it or not, when you talk about the Christian God, Christian ideas about that God apply. Whether you personally accept that is true or rational or not doesn't matter; you're making a criticism of God within the framework of Christianity, which means you have to live by its 'rules,' so to speak. When you're making a comparison of something, you can't just ignore the facts about something that directly contradict your thesis. Unless, of course, you want to have a completely invalid and inane idea. Which is what you actually have here, unfortunately.
So in other words, your attempt at trapping people is more important than having a valid comparison? This just goes to show what I've been saying all along: this isn't a valid theological or philosophical comparison or criticism of any kind. It's a troll thread. There's no serious point being argued here, no substantial change in Christian theology being proposed. Just what amounts to "LOL GODS AN ALIEN HAHA."
Your problem, Phlegmak, is one that is quite common among young atheists*: you think, by virtue of being an atheist, you're so terribly logical and bright that you can criticize your favored religion (Generally the predominate one where you live, usually Christianity) and every time you do so, you'll say something true and shocking that will shake Christianity to its rotten core - because, after all, IT'S NOT TRUE!!. Well, I hate to break it to you, but this isn't an interesting, much less useful argument, and it's quite unlikely that you're going to come up with a serious challenge to Christian apologetics that hasn't been made before. And being a young, hip atheist doesn't make you super logical or super smart - knowing how to think, how to really think critically and deeply, instead of superficially as you actually do, is what makes you smart. True, real thought is a virtue wherever it appears - and shallow ignorance, puffed up by arrogance, is a vice whether it's at home in a fundamentalist or an atheist.
I'm done Phlegmak. I hope you change, and I really hope you learn how to really think for yourself. But I doubt you will.
*Young theists, especially Christians, have their own problems, of course. Typically this is the arrogant assumption of righteousness, as opposed to the atheist's naive assumption of rationality. It's just as wrong.
There are exceptions to everything.
But the vast majority of Christians (Roman Catholics, Oriental Orthodoxy, Assyrians, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans, Reformed Churches, Methodists, most other Protestants, etc) accept the Nicene Creed, which includes the idea that Jesus Christ was the "very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father." So while it may not be universal Christian doctrine, it is overwhelmingly so.For some forms of Christianity (most I think) what you said is indeed true. Unfortunately, Christianity seems to be fairly malleable. That would mean that god was an alien until Jesus was born. After Jesus was born, god=Jesus is no longer an alien, however that would work. If Jesus is indeed fully human, then it becomes more like god can change shape and his internal molecules. Nevermind. It makes no sense however you look at it.
And regarding the malleability of Christianity: I've criticized many aspects of Christianity many many times, based primarily on what I was taught as a Catholic. What frequently happens is that a Christian on this forum will say, "I don't believe that particular part of Christianity. This is what I believe." That renders the whole debate about negative parts of Christianity (or even the positive parts) quite pointless, since the believer can slightly modify anything he chooses to fit what he believes or wishes to believe.
Not really. The whole thing was a thought exercise, like I said. And I don't think god being an alien is particularly negative or funny. It just simply is.
First, I'm not young. I'm sure as hell not hip either. I'd rather be a Republican than hip. Bleah.
Second, I don't see how I'm not thinking for myself. I really don't see why you would say that about me. It also makes me wonder how you would define "thinking for myself." Do you equate "thinking for myself" with "being a Christian"?
Actually, I've given up trying to convince Christians of the illogic of religion. There's obviously no point. After I posted this thread, I was wondering what good would it do. The reason I posted this thread is because I thought the parallel I invented was accurate and an interesting perspective, and, like every other person who posts something, I felt like sharing my opinion. But I knew nothing particularly positive would result.
EDIT: By the way, I was talking about the Jewish flood story, and Jesus didn't exist at that time. So for that time period, god is indeed an alien still.
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Hmm.
Stock up on holy water to defeat the hellspawn.
(If I was head of NASA) Order the ramming of the ISS into the alien mothership.
Do an Independence Day.
Launch all Soyuz and Space Shuttles ASAP, loaded with tons of nukes, and have them ram into the moon or something. A huge chunk of the moon blows off, slams into the aliens, then into Earth. This would result in a total nuclear winter of sorts, destroying all land lifeforms and most sea creatures, restarting evolution. Slowly, the part of the moon lodged into the Earth would fuse into the sphere, making the Earth bigger, probably large enough to collect all the space debris (artificial and natural) into a ring-like formation.
Sorry, kind of on a tangent here. I think I'll open a thread regarding this.
Stock up on holy water to defeat the hellspawn.
(If I was head of NASA) Order the ramming of the ISS into the alien mothership.
Do an Independence Day.
Launch all Soyuz and Space Shuttles ASAP, loaded with tons of nukes, and have them ram into the moon or something. A huge chunk of the moon blows off, slams into the aliens, then into Earth. This would result in a total nuclear winter of sorts, destroying all land lifeforms and most sea creatures, restarting evolution. Slowly, the part of the moon lodged into the Earth would fuse into the sphere, making the Earth bigger, probably large enough to collect all the space debris (artificial and natural) into a ring-like formation.
Sorry, kind of on a tangent here. I think I'll open a thread regarding this.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Aliens could be sent by God to do his bidding. So I dont see anything particularly weird with this scenario. Even Vatican acknowledged they might exist.
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