Honduras Extends Curfew After Zelaya Returns

Should Zelaya be reinstated?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 64.3%
  • No

    Votes: 5 35.7%

  • Total voters
    14
In Honduras it was in Congress.
They claimed the move was authorized by the leadership of COngress. As far as I know, they have not released votes or records of the deliberations, much less of a proceeding that would conform to what most would consider a trial, even by Latin American standards.
 
Actually I found some other fun things in the Constitución de Honduras.

Article 2 calls usurping power an act of treason, so there's that.

ARTICULO 3.- Nadie debe obediencia a un gobierno usurpador ni a quienes asuman funciones o empleos públicos por la fuerza de las armas o usando medios o procedimientos que quebranten o desconozcan lo que esta Constitución y las leyes establecen. Los actos verificados por tales autoridades son nulos. el pueblo tiene derecho a recurrir a la insurrección en defensa del orden constitucional.

"Nobody has to obey a government that took power through force of arms, or used methods that broke or ignored the Constitution and its laws. Acts by such authorities are null, the people have the right to insurrection in defence of the constitutional order."

ARTICULO 102.- Ningún hondureño podrá ser expatriado ni entregado por las autoridades a un Estado extranjero.

"No Honduran can be expatriated or exiled by the authorities to another state." Hmm.

The constitution can be interpreted to say Zelaya was wrong, although the constitutional assembly referendum didn't mention re-election, which makes the "ITS AN AUTOMATIC AND INSTANT TRIGGER" argument stillborn and kills the urgency with which the coupsters claimed to be acting. The level of unconstitutional behaviour from Zelaya, if there was any, is an argument for a trial and stuff. There was no urgency, certainly not justifying an emergency coup and a rushed, botched congressional vote based on a faked resignation letter, taken with half the members not present, followed by a speedy and illegal exile.

There's a difference between a president acting unconstitutionally and that justifying a coup, especially when said coupsters violate the constitution they claim to be defending themselves, and then immediately suspend the rights it establishes as soon as they take over.

Indeed, if the military was REALLY empowered to act to depose poresidents in defence of the constitution they should have removed the Micheletti government too.
 
Anyone who has followed the developments in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador knows that there was urgency. Everybody (that matters, including the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court) agreed that the referendum was unconstitutional and would cause a terrible strain on Honduras' fragile institutions. They also agreed that Zelaya was no longer the legal president.

You say the ousting of the buffoon resulted in violence and restrictions on free speech, I say it prevented the levels of violence and restrictions on free speech we see in Venezuela.

Edit:
BTW, your translation of article 102 is wrong. The correct is: "No honduran shall be expatriated or delivered by the authorities to another state" (presumably, where he would face criminal prosecution. This is about not extradicting hondurans wanted in other countries).
"Entregado" <> "Exiled".
 
Yeah I took a random guess on entregar there, in my mind it means 'send' and I was translating rapidly and just after the jist of it. However transitive expatriar means banish or exile so whatevs.

Also no, vague resemblance of a politician to a political force you as an extreme anti-leftist don't like, doesn't justify a coup and the associated violence, nor the suspension of civil liberties, appointment of torturers from past regimes as advisors, etc. It was a non-binding plebiscite on having a consitutional convention, something that had been debated or several years prior, that ain't panic stations.

Bedtime now.
 
Despite earlier reports that the Supreme Court was looking for a way to order an invasion of the embassy, Micheletti blinks.

They have, however, cut the water and electricity to the embassy which is a fairly hostile, if ineffective, act. Brazil is asking for an emergency UN SC meeting, I doubt they're doing it alone, I bet the US State Dept has been involved in all this too, the whole situation smacks of multilateral planning. The choice of Brazil as host, the coincidental timing with the UN Gen Assembly meeting (good plan not to attend, Chávez!), it's pretty clever if it's orchestrated or lucky if it isn't.

The regime has also placed 7.5 million Hondurans under house arrest for about a day and a half now through its emergency curfew, preventing ordinary Hondurans from living their day-to-day lives... way to shore up your democratic cred, guys. It's been extended til tomorrow, too. People are defying the order though, partly because when you are poor, live day-to-day, and are prevented from working or shopping, that sort of restriction causes shortages and hardship quite widely. People have been shot, too, naturally, and there's reports of teargassing of houses suspected of containing protesters.

Hopefully these are just the final death throes of the regime - when people lose the power to get their way, they tend to try to substitute violence in its place in order to reclaim it. The attempted crackdown to enforce the curfew shows the regime's weakness, not its strength. They've at least agreed to "talks" now, which is something, although they are still saying "the restitution of Zelaya is not negotiable" which means they're still not accepting any part of the process Arias was negotiating in San Jose. So that's still basically talks without compromise.

Maybe the next step will be ending the curfew, restoring basic freedoms and stopping gassing, shooting and bashing people.

Edit: Oh and protesters exercising their constitutional right to oppose and disobey regimes installed by military force have been detained in a football stadium. That always works well.

Edit edit: and here's another on-the-ground blog I just found if anyone is interested
 
Finally, for those discussing the military position, from that blog:

http://hondurascoup2009.blogspot.com/2009/09/reading-military-tea-leaves-in-mystery.html

On one level, it adds little of substance to the story of the return of Zelaya.

But remarkably for a news story, it manages to hint at a tantalizing set of possibilities that may turn out to be as important to the playing out of the Zelaya return as today's announcement by the major party presidential candidates that the clock is running out for their support of Micheletti's regime.

They start with one of the most widely discussed questions: how did he do it? how, with everyone in theory watching the border for him, did President Zelaya-- a very recognizable character-- make it all the way to Tegucigalpa without being spotted?

I personally have no problem imagining him crossing the border without hitting the Migración agents' radar. Working in northwest Honduras, I have been told repeatedly by country people that they pass over in the mountains for convenience when they want. I personally know North Americans who accidentally walked across the border in the mountains when out in the countryside. There is no fence along the border, and the description of President Zelaya crossing mountains? that describes almost every inch of the Honduran frontiers with Guatemala, El Salvador, and most of the border with Nicaragua. Only in the extreme northeast is the frontier not mountainous; and crossing there would be pointless, because communication with the rest of the country from the oriente is arduous, in the absence of paved roads, or in some areas, any roads.

But still, the question does resonate. How did he do it?

[...]

And this is where this non-news article becomes interesting. The reporters get the Honduran military on the record about the apparent failure of what surely was supposed to be an impregnable security wall:

The Honduran military denied that his return was a major security breach. &#8220;Military intelligence did not fail,&#8221; Adolfo Lionel Sevilla, the de facto defense minister, told El Heraldo, a Honduran daily newspaper. He added cryptically, &#8220;Everything can&#8217;t be publicized because it would create anxiety.&#8221;

Stop and think about that for a minute. Everything can't be publicized because it would create anxiety.

My goodness, what is the military hiding? Again, thank the NY Times for answering this question by the time-honored technique of juxtaposition; what immediately follows is not a clarification of this remark by the military or the de facto regime's pretend defense minister (who one suspects bit his tongue right after those words came out). Instead, they connect the dots to long-rumored differences in the sentiment of the military:

One worry is that some members of the Honduran military loyal to Mr. Zelaya may have aided in his return. &#8220;There is a certain amount of concern among Hondurans about how Zelaya got into the country,&#8221; said Christopher Sabatini, editor of Americas Quarterly, a New York academic journal. &#8220;It&#8217;s hard to imagine that he could get in without some cooperation from the military. And Micheletti, in particular, has to be worried about whether he really has control over all his forces.&#8221;

Romeo Vasquez Velasquez has thrown his support fully behind the de facto regime. This is actually extremely problematic philosophically in Honduras, since the constitution decrees that the military is to stand apart from politics. This is why they theoretically were considered the ideal agents to guarantee free elections. This is reinforced by requirements that military officers not stand for office. This is why the Armed Forces tried, early on, to distance themselves from their own actions through the powerful medium of-- the press release.

As a result, the Armed Forces are now thoroughly tied to the de facto regime, and not to their credit. Abolishing the military has actually been mentioned.

Now Romeo has to look around and think, "who is dealing behind my back?". And Micheletti may find himself sooner or later without the club that his command of the military provides: the one thing, other than continued US financial support, propping up his regime.

Like I said earlier, if the military truly wanted to be apolitical and uphold the constitution, it would have kicked out the Micheletti government too. Ironically, this whole affair has demonstrated the need for constitutional reform.
 
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