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Discussion in 'CivBE - General Discussions' started by Myth and Legend, Oct 29, 2014.

  1. Aeson

    Aeson orangesoda Retired Moderator

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    They are invincible vs Mind Worms though.
     
  2. Myth and Legend

    Myth and Legend Prince

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    To each his own. The problem with same yueld tiles vs forests is that going forests in SMAC is a sub par choice that can frequently leave you energy starved.

    SMAC had a huge problem wtih crawlers breaking the economy, so the forests were a roleplaying choice more than an actual good way to play the game.

    In BE there is only one good way to play and that is spam trade routes and plop down farms.

    My point was that there are very few terraforming options in BE. But since you don't like SMAC this doesn't appeal to you.
     
  3. Willem

    Willem Deity

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    You clearly don't understand how copyright regulations work. It's about more than just the name on the package.
     
  4. kirbdog

    kirbdog King

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    I agree with the it-ships-when-it's-ready philosophy, but clearly CivBE was released with the it-ships-on-the-announced-date philosophy. I have no doubt that they spent the last several weeks before launch just doing "bug fixes only." And that there was no phase of the development cycle yet that was devoted to balance issues (or to AI).

    If there's a silver lining, it is that this November the CivBE team is working on balance (and more bug fixes), for some changes to be released in a free patch. Or so I hope.

    And, yes, it is sad to see any strategy game released without a very sharp focus on balance. It's like making an RPG without spending anything on the story or dialogue. It's the heart of strategy.
     
  5. Autoclave

    Autoclave Warlord

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    I feel like whoever designed BNW, did not work on this project. There was a very good reason why trade routes were limited and not related to the number of cities. Why do they insist on turning this game back into a ICS fest? :(

    As for the game overfall feel and theme, it was obvious that a bunch of kids would not match the talent of Brian Reynolds. They simply don't have his talent. As for money, I am quite sure that CivBE budged was greater than SMAC budget. Hiring more voice actors wasn't a hard thing.
     
  6. Bandobras Took

    Bandobras Took Emperor

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    Er . . . what? I love SMAC. It's on my computer at this very moment, unofficial patch and all. Didn't you catch me making SMAC jokes with Aeson?

    And you've honestly never heard of Forest And Forget as a terraforming strategy for SMAC?

    Now, as to your point:
    In BE, we have (assuming flat terrain with no resources, since Alpha Centauri limited different terrain types to a few special sections of the map and didn't have special resources as such):

    1) Farm
    2) Generator
    3) Dome
    4) Node
    5) Biowell
    6) Manufactory
    7) Terrascape
    8) Array
    9) Academy

    But wait! There's more! You can customize the terrain with the following:
    1) Holomatrix
    2) Weather Controller
    3) Orbital Fabricator
    4) Solar Collector

    What's more, each improvement can come in a Miasmic and non-Miasmic version, depending on who or what you want walking through it.

    I'm honestly not understanding how nine basic options, with four additional yield improvements, plus the miasma or not choice equals "very few terraforming options."

    Unless you're talking about the difference between "AC's terraforming didn't really matter because of supply crawlers" vs "BE's terraforming doesn't really matter because of trade routes," in which case I'm not seeing too great a difference in design philosophy, except that trade routes are likely to be nerfed.

    P.S. I didn't mention the more military-oriented satellites because they straddle the line between military unit and terrain alteration.
     

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