[R&F] How does Vilnius CS actually work?

[DrJambo]

The Suzerain ability says: "For the highest active Alliance Level all your Theater Square districts receive +50% adjacency bonus"

Mumbo jumbo to me.

 

[Softly]

Not tested, but I understand it as follows.

If you have at least one level 1 alliance: Theater Squares get +50% adj.
If you have at least one level 2 alliance: Theater Squares get +100% adj.
If you have at least one level 3 alliance: Theater Squares get +150% adj.

As most % bonuses in this game round down, this makes the suzerain bonuses quite weak compared to the other cultural city states.

 

[tedhebert]

Not tested, but I understand it as follows.

If you have at least one level 1 alliance: Theater Squares get +50% adj.
If you have at least one level 2 alliance: Theater Squares get +100% adj.
If you have at least one level 3 alliance: Theater Squares get +150% adj.

As most % bonuses in this game round down, this makes the suzerain bonuses quite weak compared to the other cultural city states.

Oh that's not AT ALL how I understood it... I understood that you needed to get to LVL3 to get ANY bonus ?

 

[Lupine]

It seems weak to me. Theatre districts don’t usually get more than 3 bonus adjacency. So even 150% rounded is 4.

 

[Softly]

It seems weak to me. Theatre districts don’t usually get more than 3 bonus adjacency. So even 150% rounded is 4.

I would actual be +4 on top so the theater would in total be giving 3+4=7. This could be quite strong except (a) 3 bonus adj. theaters are not that common (b) you wont be getting a level 3 alliance until very late in the game.

I imagine it could be alright for Japan, the Dutch or Greece but pretty awful for most other civs especially when compared to Nan Madol or Kumasi.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Maybe this is part of what I'm doing wrong, but how many TDs do you normally have anyhow?

 

[Timodelphia]

Maybe this is part of what I'm doing wrong, but how many TDs do you normally have anyhow?

Unless going for cultural or military victory, I usually have 3 TD on a 10 city nation.
- if domination victory, as many as get captured
- if culture victory, as many as possible, likely 8-10 in a 10 city nation.

 

[Softly]

Maybe this is part of what I'm doing wrong, but how many TDs do you normally have anyhow?

There is no way to answer this in a vacuum. Theater Squares are much more important in R&F since mid to late game culture is much harder to get now that they removed the +1 culture/district policy card (great change by Firaxis IMO). However, even if going for a culture victory you should almost never have more theater squares than campuses. There are obvious exceptions such as if you are playing England/Greece/Japan/Russia/Zulu.

 

[Lupine]

I build them after I have campus, IZ, CH/Harbor. Most of them are +1 if I am lucky.
I build them in about 1/3 of my cities, unless going hard on culture victory.

So looking at the bonus from this CS, I would much prefer Kumasi or Nan Madol.