How many civs have multiple leaders?

[Commissar_Yari]

This is confusing me because some sources I read say EVERY Civ has 2 leaders, whereas other sources say 5-10 civs have 2 leaders.

Which do you think it is?

Also, which leaders are confirmed for the civs in game? I know of these so far:

India - Gandhi
Egypt - Cleopatra
Mongols - Genghis Khan
France - Napoleon & Louis XIV
China - I read somewhere that it's Mao & Li Shimin, but I'm not sure how correct it was.

 

[Elrohir]

I believe that it has been confirmed that there are 19 Civs, and 28 leaders. That would mean (Assuming no Civ has no leader or more than two) that 9 Civs have two leaders.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Actually, Egypt now has a new female ruler-not Cleopatra-and China has Mao and The First Emporer of China (can't remember his name). England has Victoria and Elizabeth, and America has Washington and Roosevelt.
So, if we assume that Egypt still has Cleopatra as a ruler, then it stands to reason that some of the leaders in the game will be:

Egypt: Cleopatra and ????
England: Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth.
China: Chairman Mao and First Emporer.
America: Washington and Roosevelt.
Mali: Good Question.
India: Ghandi.
Persia: Xerxes.
Babylon: Hammurabi.
Greece: Alexander and Agammemnon (this is just a guess).
Japan: Again, good Question.
France: Napolean and Louis XIV.
Germany: Otto Von Bismark.
Russia: Catherine and ???
Spain: Isabella and ???
Aztec: No Idea.
Inca: No Idea.
Iroqoius: No Idea.
Arabia: No Idea.

Sorry, not much help there.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[mitsho]

my guess of the nine civs:
France: Louis XIV and Napoleon
England/Britain: Elizabeth and Victoria
China: Mao and Qin something (sorry to all Chinese, I'm ashamed myself that I can't remember the name)
America: Roosevelt and Washington
Egypt: Hatshepsut and one male leader (Ramesses II?, not cleopatra please... )
Rome: There are so many choices, I leave it open
Germany: Bismarck and Barbarossa (Guess!)
India: Gandhi and (many possibilities)
Russia: Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catharina the Great and Lenin (deserves much more to be leader of Soviet Union than mass-murderer Stalin imo)

But of course, these are just my guesses. mitsho

 

[Red Threat]

I think that different leaders represent different ideologies in the history of a civ.

If there are 18 civs and 26 leaders:

Rome: Publius Conrnelius Scipio & Julius Caesar
Greece: Pericles & Megas Alexandros
Spain: Queen Isabel
France: Louis XIV & Napoleon
England: Queen Elizabeth & Queen Victoria
Germany: Otto von Bismarck
Russia: Catherine & Lenin
Egypt: Queen Hatshepsut
Babylon: Emperor Hammurabi (or Nabucodonosor or Ashurbanipal)
Persia: Cyrus, King of Kings
Arabia: Caliph Abu Bakr
Mali: King Mansa Musa
India: Mahatma Ghandi
China: The First Emperor & Mao Zedong
Japan: Shogun Tokugawa
Aztecs: Montezuma
Incas: Sapa Inca Atahualpa
America: A. Lincoln & F. D. Roosevelt

+ Genghis Khan, extra leader for modders

Just guessing...

 

[Cashie]

I think that different leaders represent different ideologies in the history of a civ.
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Rome: Publius Conrnelius Scipio & Julius Caesar
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Just guessing...

There's really is a lot to work with Rome... Although I'd love to see Nero or Caligula get a jersey (or err toga purpura) - even Augustus would be cool. I just hope they don't call G. Julius Caesar "Emporer" again.

Maybe a later emporer such as Diocletian or Constantine could be cool. There's plenty of old republicans: Scipiones, Fabii, L. Junius Brutus even

Romulus??

 

[mitsho]

My preference would be Hadrian and Augustus, possible others are Trajan, Caligula or Nero (a crazy leader would be cool, wouldn't he?), Ceasar, Scipio or Marius, Constantine not really, but ok

mitsho

 

[Bast]

I'm really glad that they're getting rid of Joan d'Arc for France. She was never a leader of France.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Well, thats the thing, isn't it. She would have made a fantastic Military Great Leader for the French in Civ3, but certainly not THE leader. Louis and Napolean do represent the French at their highest points.
Actually, if I were to pick another Leader for the Germans, I would almost certainly choose Charlemagne-the first Holy Roman Empire-who's seat, though in Austria, was definitely of Germanic origin.
Still, perhaps other people disagree with me !

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[mitsho]

Of course, since Charlemagne can be claimed as a French leader as well. That's why I favour the most famous medieval German leader, probably Friedrich Barbarossa (although there are many other emperors that could do as well)

 

[Tomoyo]

I would love either Nero or Caligula as the Roman leader!

BTW, the first CHinese Emperor was Shi Huang Di, which means "The First Emperor"...

 

[Sullla]

By way of answering the original question, we know that there are 18 civs and 26 leaders in Civ4. Simple math will suggest that there are 8 civs with 2 leaders (16) and 10 civs with 1 leader. So, to answer the topic question, there should be 8 civs with multiple leaders.

I will leave the guessing of who those personalities are up to the rest of you.

 

[Xen]

My own hopes for Rome would be Julius Caesar (a warlike expander), and Marcus Aurelius (a cultural Magnate, and a man whom also builds up Romes military, but for primarilly defensive purposes)

*remember- leaders are chosen because they can offer two different styles of gameplay according to thier histoic deeds ands styles for civlizations; not because they both happend to be great leaders of a nation

@mitsho: constantien was a horrible ruler; a fair general, but otherwise an ass who destroyed the Roman military after the highlly successful refroms of Diocletian had given Rome a new sharpend edge ot face the world with; he promptlly destroys it, in no small part because of his own greed and rampant civil warring.

 

[mitsho]

that's why Augustus was my second choice (the cultural) in comparison to Hadrian, and I didn't want old Julius (Ceasar) in, because we have had him in civ now for quite a time in the series.
To the topic of Constantine: I knew this and that's why I put 'not really' behind him, because he is the 'father' of a christian Rome, on could say, which gives him nevertheless some foundation to be the leader. But of course, there are far better choices..

mitsho

 

[mudblood]

I was thinking this when the Hitler?? thread was out, but tried to stay as far from that thread as possible, but wouldn't it be fun for civs to have some of the most disastrous leaders in history? Nixon or Richard III or Caligula or Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette? It would also be realistic to have some of them in the mix, and they wouldn't necessarily be weak, just ... erratic.