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It does makes sense. But remember, I think that there are some things that the state actually cannot solve. In my analysis of any specific need is made according to the political truths of the day . We have a pretty good social safety net in Canada. It absolutely could be better, and I will continue to agitate in that direction. But the fact that Canada is pretty good doesn't reduce my onus towards issues that cannot be solved on time. Our senior citizens get good health care, but as long as they are suffering from Alzheimer's, there is a place to spend a charity dollar on my part. And after Alzheimer's is solved, and everyone is covered, there will still be something that I should be doing with a charity dollar.
 
It's also an excuse to do nothing. You vote for social welfare, Commodore votes against it, and .... we have to wait four more years.

The State literally can never do a sufficient job. It's an excuse to do nothing.
I stand by the comment you quoted. Do you consider that vigilantes are a viable and decent alternative for law enforcement ?
 
I stand by the comment you quoted. Do you consider that vigilantes are a viable and decent alternative for law enforcement ?

Conversely, would you reject vigilantes so categorically if the ability of your government to enforce the law was crippled and you had no prospect of immediately improving it?
 
I stand by the comment you quoted. Do you consider that vigilantes are a viable and decent alternative for law enforcement ?

Where did I say that charity is a viable and sufficient alternative for government? It's apples and oranges.

I happen to live in a state that both has decent law enforcement, and clear laws about how citizens may participate when law enforcement is unavailable.

In a completely Lawless environment, vigilantism might be a superior alternative to doing nothing. Case-by-case, obviously. Much like how you spend a charity dollar . And the person who refuses to do something, despite the lack of a proper government agency, is making the wrong choice.
 
Conversely, would you reject vigilantes so categorically if the ability of your government to enforce the law was crippled and you had no prospect of immediately improving it?
No (I'm actually of a pretty vigilante mind myself, despite recognizing that it doesn't work on a societal level).
But that's not the situation in which we live.
And in any case, I'd rather fix said crippled ability to enforce law instead (though vigilantes might be a stopgap, but they aren't a long-term solution).
Where did I say that charity is a viable and sufficient alternative for government? It's apples and oranges.
Read the part I quoted. You say that relying on solidarity through state it's a way to get good conscience and do nothing. Sounds to me it means that charity should exists even in the case of a viable government and as such it's legitimate even for functioning government.

I actually hold the same reasoning, but reversed : charity allows for a society to get good conscience and not actually do something when it fails at solidarity.
I happen to live in a state that both has decent law enforcement, and clear laws about how citizens may participate when law enforcement is unavailable.

In a completely Lawless environment, vigilantism might be a superior alternative to doing nothing. Case-by-case, obviously. Much like how you spend a charity dollar . And the person who refuses to do something, despite the lack of a proper government agency, is making the wrong choice.
Agree, but the fact is, we DO live in area with functioning governments, and as such we should pressure them to work instead of compensating the failure with charity and allowing them to get away with it.

Let me get another example : it's been years that our whole health system is understaffed and there is a tremendous amount of pressure on the nurses to do ever more with ever less.
We still rank 1 in the world for health. Because the nurses do insane hours in order to help the patients. And the result is, the government keeps cutting the budget, because, well, it hasn't exploded yet.
The dedication of large part of the staff allows increasingly unacceptable levels of what can only be described as exploitation. This dedication is like charity : it's people doing more than what they should so other can use them to fill their own pockets or to ignore their responsability. It's taking patients hostages (and, for charity, the poors/downtrodden/etc.) to force good-nature people to cover for a-holes.

Such things are positive when they act as emergency relief (which is why people tend to stick together when disasters hit), but they actually hurt society when they become the norm.
 
No (I'm actually of a pretty vigilante mind myself, despite recognizing that it doesn't work on a societal level).
But that's not the situation in which we live.

Yes, I agree, but it is sort of the situation we're in wrt issues that are addressed to some extent by charities.
 
Read the part I quoted. You say that relying on solidarity through state it's a way to get good conscience and do nothing. Sounds to me it means that charity should exists even in the case of a viable government and as such it's legitimate even for functioning government.
There are two parts. First, yes, I think that there will be a moral onus towards charity regardless of any government successes. It's not a paraphrasing of your last sentence, it's a rephrasing. No matter how excellent the State gets, there will also be areas where charity is both necessary and required.

The second part is the banter we're having about lack of activity. When I hear "the state should do project X", what I hear more is "I'm not going to actually do anything about it in a way that requires any sacrifice on my part". It's the rallying cry of 'thoughts and prayers', just rephrased. I literally don't care what areas of intervention you think that the State should engage in, no matter your political stance there will be areas where the State cannot possibly intervene. There will literally always be a place for charity.
Agree, but the fact is, we DO live in area with functioning governments, and as such we should pressure them to work instead of compensating the failure with charity and allowing them to get away with it.
I snipped your example paragraph, because I understand it. In our research lab, it's the same thing. We get tremendous effort for very cheap, because the people who work on our diseases really are willing to work very hard at the job, they just need sufficient pay to eat. People's "yeah, the government should fund research, yeah" is deflection to my ears. I'm working on something generates compounding returns, for very cheap. So, finding out that people would rather eat a hamburger than help me help us is aggravating.

As to the bolded, why are they mutually exclusive? Unless you're literally saying that 100% of my charity donations should be donated to political organizations instead? I can see the desire to completely focus my dollar. My brain doesn't work that way. There's no political organization that completely encapsulates what I want done, so I have to spend on various things. Fighting polio pays off in the long run, MSF pays off now. Green Party might never pay off. I guess I think of it as a diversified portfolio of giving a crap.
 
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