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How to Fix BE (Why AC is a classic game and BE is not)

Discussion in 'CivBE - General Discussions' started by dwcole78, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. Galgus

    Galgus Chieftain

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    @GAGA Extrem

    You make a good point that you don't have to commit atrocities, but the caricature-extremes of the leaders and how central transcendence is to the story both make it a dark story in my opinion.

    It seems pretty set in stone that either people get willingly sacrificed for transcendence, or the planet becomes increasingly dangerous and uninhabitable.
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    Wars happen in both games, I'm not sure why you are singling out BE for that.

    As for old mistakes, that really depends on affinity, but I don't see how civilization existing on the planet with improvements is a detriment.

    From a Purity perspective, they have the ability and desire to turn the world into a second, healthy New Earth. To that extent they care about that environment, they just want to destroy the existing one to make room for it.

    From a Supremacy perspective, who cares about the environment? Everyone can live forever in a perfect virtual world, guiding machines to do all they need on the physical world.

    You seem to have something like a Harmony perspective, adapting to the world and preserving it as a precious second chance.

    In my opinion, that conflict of incompatible competing visions of the future that could be interpreted as dark or Utopian is far more interesting than whether or not overt atrocities are committed.

    I find the philosophy behind BE to be much deeper and more interesting to think through than SMAC because each affinity could be a hero or villain based on one's interpretation and views, and because I like the questions raised by transhumanist technology and terraforming.
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    The biggest flaw with BE, in my opinion, is that its themes and background aren't communicated well through the gameplay.

    The leaders are interesting, but most everything about them is buried in the civilopedia or in their old introduction scenes online and completely out of game.

    Affinities don't really make much difference in how the game plays mechanically where they should be radically altering strategies.

    I think a mechanical overhaul on affinities and better quests could solve a lot of the problems, and making the Aliens an actual threat and something to push back for expansion and exploration would also be a big bonus.
     
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  2. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf Chieftain

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    TBH I find the game themes to be OK, and that the leader messages give enough character to the leaders. I also play with my personal modified version of the Social Engineering mod, which gives leaders policies they like or dislike, and with a mod where I strengthened the aliens, which also might play a role here.
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2018
  3. legalizefreedom

    legalizefreedom Inefficiency Expert

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    I am initially impressed with the quest system in Endless Space 2. I immediately thought of BE and how it could be improved with similar storylines and quest system. They've also given each race (civ) a different main storyline quest. It's already a pretty impressive game on release with a big patch in testing now. BE would have been awesome with this kind of narrative. Hoping for this in BE 2.
     
  4. jokii

    jokii Chieftain

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    Recycling Tanks
    "It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks, and become one with all the people."

    I LOVE THIS GAME.
    I still play it. For everyone who hasn't play it, I strongly recommend it. You will be amazed. If you disregard old graphics, it is so much better and more fun game than what we have today...
    If only someone would make the same exact game with newer graphics I would pay 100 $ for it at least.

     

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