How to live in peace?
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Sounds good to me.
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King Patrick
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Check out the chart - each civ has a rating for deceptiveness written into the program. So it's kind of silly to claim the AIs are never deceptive.
I think its silly to defend a borken ai by saying oh its supposed to do that even though it makes no sense.
Listen, this has been a common fallacy throughout human history.
Just because you do not understand it does not mean it makes no sense.
Sometimes people do deceptive things. The AI was designed to reflect that. Proof of such design intention has been presented to you. It is INTENTIONAL.
What is silly, is being unable to concede that you may have been wrong... or not fully understand something, instead continuing to put your fingers in your ears and say "lalalala".
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But again, the thread was "How to live in peace?", and we are trying to help the OP understand how - since we have DONE IT, and can REPEAT IT almost at will. All you have done is whine and repeat things you must have heard somewhere, because they are either blatantly incorrect, lacking an actual point, or irrelevant to the OPs question.
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Now, a question for you other peace-mongers in this thread: What is your favorite civ for a peaceful game? Personally I prefer Babylon + India. I have been trying some others, and for an early war but 90% peaceful game Rome is a really strong contender. "Glory of Rome" is really nice for getting a smallish empire (say 5-6 cities) quickly built up and productive.
What's your favorite?
King Patrick
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Actually, launching a surprise attack on someone makes perfect sense. It's happened countless times throughout history; why wouldn't it be a part of the game?
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Most excellent post, my friend. Nothing much to add to that.
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I prefer Arabia the most as my peace-monging civ. Close to that come Egypt, India, Persia and Polynesia.
King Patrick
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So a half-dozen people offer detailed advice and strategies on how to achieve a consistent, easily repeatable result, based on their own experience playing multiple games and on factual data on how the game's AI and diplomacy function, and the counter-arguments boil down to "nuh-uh!" and "no, you are!" Okay then.
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The AI has enough problems without us adding facetious ones that aren't even issues.
Another post here describes how liberating cities does not result in immediate positive diplomatic relations... that, in my opinion, is an honest to goodness issue. It just is. If I were trying to say "diplomacy rocks, it is flawless!" then I would be a fool, but I am not.
What I, and others here are saying... is that diplomacy is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. We are saying... if you would pay closer attention to the game, and have a little (just a little) faith... you might see that YOU can resolve SOME of these Hitler problems.
But, I know you will not read and comprehend this stuff. I also know a Moderator is watching this thread (among many, I'm sure) - and I don't want to lose a thread full of good peaceful strategic advice to the trolling of one unsatisfied customer. So, this is the last time I will respond to you. Please take a step back and THINK critically.
"Five percent of the people think; ten percent of the people think they think; and the other eighty-five percent would rather die than think." - Thomas A. Edison
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Kerosene31
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The problem with these discussions is that some people's definition of broken is that it is different than Civ IV.
I like that they will turn on you for their own benefit. That's what human players have been doing in Civ games for years. Can any Civ player out there say they've never gone after a weaker Civ even though they were friendly diplomatically?
It definitely needs more tweaking since the AI gets too easily provoked by things and there are no options to "un-provoke" them, but other than that the game is different from Civ IV. You can't build an empire with a small military. If you are a small fish the bigger fish is going to eat you.
I like that they will turn on you for their own benefit. That's what human players have been doing in Civ games for years. Can any Civ player out there say they've never gone after a weaker Civ even though they were friendly diplomatically?
It definitely needs more tweaking since the AI gets too easily provoked by things and there are no options to "un-provoke" them, but other than that the game is different from Civ IV. You can't build an empire with a small military. If you are a small fish the bigger fish is going to eat you.
So now anyone that disagrees with you about the ai is trolling? I dont think so the ai is broken and it needs to be fixed I have been in the other thread as you stated and gave citys back to china I had liberated upon the next turn they hate me. In another game I had a civ go from freindly to declare war on me the next turn this is broken.
If rationale, replicatable tactics, proven results/charts and logical conclusion is nothing to you, what can we do to help you? We have given you all the above, yet you don't listen. What are you trying to do? Why are you denying hard evidence?
We gave you help to fix your problem, why don't you want your problem do be fixed when it quite easily and provenly can?
(you = all the people who don't accept hard evidence that proves them wrong in the subject)
We gave you help to fix your problem, why don't you want your problem do be fixed when it quite easily and provenly can?
(you = all the people who don't accept hard evidence that proves them wrong in the subject)
Not relevant to this thread. Refer to:
I think even aatami would agree that the AI is broken in some regards. Being completely random isn't one of them.
Apparently my definition is different than the moderators. Because the posts which add nothing to the discussion, and instead come here and say "oh that's silly (provable evidence of how it works), the AI is broken (because I can not understand it)" are NOT trolling, but me asking you to take a step back and think about it before driving someone away from the game IS trolling.
Lesson learned, I guess. I shall refrain from posting. Unless of course, I want to make off topic snide comments about how horrible I think everything is. That seems acceptable.
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