How would you continue?

[playshogi]

Just curious to see how people would dot map this food-poor land. Mountains block the land to the north and southeast. Korea is in the southwest (with 4 clams) and his cultural influence may eventually claim the wheat. Being isolated and industrious with access to stone, I built Great Wall and Pyramids. For about the 10th game in a row, I have no copper. It's Warlords, monarch level, standard map, 6 opponents, shuffle map. Now how would you proceed?

The map is not very clear, but there is horse, sheep, crab and deer on the south edge.

 

[playshogi]

For those who might want to look at the save.

 

[wioneo]

Whay aren't all the resource blips showing up? Regardless, kill Wang Kon...tonight.

 

[svv]

Boy that's rough. I'd say in the North just North of the horses.

On the left, in the grassland between the gold and the wheat (it'd be nice to build on the desert, but oh well).

In the South, just to the left of the horses

Then just to the right of the sheep

Then on the forest three to the right of the deer

And then maybe on the desert in the far bottom right.

 

[playshogi]

Whay aren't all the resource blips showing up? Regardless, kill Wang Kon...tonight.

I had to have the interface on in order to highlight the resources, then when I turned the interface off the resources originally obscured by the interface were not highlighted.

 

[Jet]

I tried it. I forget what order but I built several Quechuas, a Terrace, and a few Settlers (adopting Slavery and whipping.) Settled A, B, C, D, forget in what order. Changing B to b1 and b2, or adding e, could be OK if you really like your cottages and/or turtling. But in the early game lighthouses work just as well as cottages for you. And attacking Korea as suggested is probably a good idea although (minor spoiler) I turtled and it was tough but OK. IIRC I researched Poly, Priesthood, Alphabet, Mathematics. Built some more wonders.

Edit: pretty minor spoiler, but funny:

Spoiler :

A neighbor settled on the incense. When I flipped the city I kept it, and it actually wasn't bad. It worked the horses and an irrigated plains farm.

 

[kniteowl]

I'd Say Research Fishing build a couple of work boats and explore the area north and East of the peeks blocking off from unexpolored land. there might be better areas to settle.

 

[playshogi]

Thanks, Jet. My own dotmap matches A,B and C, but D I had 1 SW of yours. You got a better pic of the area, too. I wonder what I did wrong to not get the southern resources to show up.

 

[Killroyan]

My advice would be, get the savegame from 4000bc, go into worldbuilder and snatch the korean start, hehe. 4 clams, O!M!G! (chandler bing style).

On a serious note, tough start, very tough start. I have been looking at Jets dotmap, but can't find much better places. Too much desert and mountains. You even have to give up the floodplains to get the top north city going and floodplains on this map is almost a resource. There is another possible city in the lower west corner if you move B and C 1 east. And you will need a lot of chain farming.

 

[GaliBardi]

I guess it's a fractal map. That's why deserts + tundra is near to each other, and maybe that's why 4 clams is also next to each other.(Maybe also reason for that many peaks) And that sucks
I wonder why didn't you put a city west to city "B", south to "A" (4 tiles left, and 1 up form "B"), where you could utilize two of those clams + some grassland. I would use that as city "C".

 

[playshogi]

Yes, it's a tough start, but I do have Pyramids and Great Wall! I suppose Jet's dot map is as good as it gets, but there is unexplored galley reachable land to the southeast. Every city except the northern one has a food special, so a Specialist Economy is in order. I can't really use the clams because I'm sure that's Wang's capital city. In fact, to avoid losing the wheat to Wang's cultural influence, I should put the Great Library in City A.

 

[mutax2003]

I suggest rushing Wang as soon as possible, with his better land and cities, and running representation, you will have a much easier time of winning the game.

 

[DaveMcW]

Reload from 4000BC, build 4 Quechas, and rush Wang Kon.

 

[cabert]

Reload from 4000BC, build 4 Quechas, and rush Wang Kon.

he needs galleys to land quechuas on korea AFAIK
but IMHO, it's not too late

 

[DaveMcW]

Oops, I thought Wang started on the continent. In that case, claim those clams ASAP!

 

[eric_]

For about the 10th game in a row, I have no copper.

I have yet to play a Warlords game where I have either Bronze or Iron within 10 tiles of my capital. It's starting to irritate me.

[edit]What does "turtle" mean?[/edit]

 

[cabert]

What does "turtle" mean?

It's a little green animal carrying it's carapace all around the place and thus moving slowly.
As a verb in cIV it means adopting a defensive posture, instead of agressively expanding.
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