Humankind Game by Amplitude

[Trav'ling Canuck]

This conversation makes me wonder what percentage of cultures are known to history by names they gave themselves, versus how many are known by names given to them by others? I'm guessing the scale is tilted towards the latter.

Even in Europe, the English call the inhabitants east of the Rhine "Germans", which I believe is what the Romans called one particular group of the people who lived in that area, rather than anything close to "Deutsche" (and English is supposedly part of the same language group). For some reason, despite French being a Romantic language, in France they don't use the old Latin term and instead call those people "Allemands" (on a good day), probably another sub group named from afar. I'm scared to ask what Poles call them.

Dig deep enough, and I wouldn't be surprised to find some of these roughly translated at some long ago time to "those ***** who keep stealing our boars".

 

[Zaarin]

This conversation makes me wonder what percentage of cultures are known to history by names they gave themselves, versus how many are known by names given to them by others? I'm guessing the scale is tilted towards the latter.

Heavily towards the latter, but when talking about Native Americans it often depends who was whose ally. For example, the Iroquois and the French were enemies, but the French were allied with the Algonquins. So the French called the Iroquois what the Algonquins called them. On the other hand, Algonquin itself is a rough rendition of what the Algonquins called themselves, Elakómkwik.

 

[mitsho]

Even in Europe, the English call the inhabitants east of the Rhine "Germans", which I believe is what the Romans called one particular group of the people who lived in that area, rather than anything close to "Deutsche" (and English is supposedly part of the same language group). For some reason, despite French being a Romantic language, in France they don't use the old Latin term and instead call those people "Allemands" (on a good day), probably another sub group named from afar. I'm scared to ask what Poles call them.

Dig deep enough, and I wouldn't be surprised to find some of these roughly translated at some long ago time to "those ***** who keep stealing our boars".

The polish name for Germans roughly translates to "those we don't understand". Wikipedia has a nice list, and yes, oftentimes the name of a subgroup has to stand in for the whole. In Swiss slang for example, all Germans are Swabians, the "tribe" closest to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany?wprov=sfla1

 

[notNamed]

Even in Europe, the English call the inhabitants east of the Rhine "Germans", which I believe is what the Romans called one particular group of the people who lived in that area, rather than anything close to "Deutsche" (and English is supposedly part of the same language group).

For some reason, despite French being a Romantic language, in France they don't use the old Latin term and instead call those people "Allemands" (on a good day), probably another sub group named from afar. I'm scared to ask what Poles call them.

The reason for English discrepancy is Netherlands. You see, Germans were called either by their individual ethnicities "Saxons, Bavarians,..." or collectively as Dutch (same as Deutsch). This became an issue in the US. It didn't matter much for the outside world, but once you had a massive immigrant population of both Dutch and Dutch next to each other and the English-speaking officials had to make any sense of this (imagine being the guy who sends a Dutch interpreter to a town for your presidency campaign only to find out no one in the town can understand what he's saying), problems arose. That and obvious potential for diplomatic incidents resulted in English adopting the Latin word for them, Germani, and calling it a day.
French, actually living next to Germans, simply use the name these people called themselves that Latin ended up borrowing.

 

[Siptah]

So today or tomorrow should see the "immersive sounds" dev diary. Hopefully, we do not just hear ancient, classical and medieval sounds ;-)

 

[Zaarin]

The reason for English discrepancy is Netherlands. You see, Germans were called either by their individual ethnicities "Saxons, Bavarians,..." or collectively as Dutch (same as Deutsch). This became an issue in the US. It didn't matter much for the outside world, but once you had a massive immigrant population of both Dutch and Dutch next to each other and the English-speaking officials had to make any sense of this (imagine being the guy who sends a Dutch interpreter to a town for your presidency campaign only to find out no one in the town can understand what he's saying), problems arose. That and obvious potential for diplomatic incidents resulted in English adopting the Latin word for them, Germani, and calling it a day.

English has a cognate word, thede, but it's dialectal.

 

[Siptah]

So today or tomorrow should see the "immersive sounds" dev diary. Hopefully, we do not just hear ancient, classical and medieval sounds ;-)

Uh, a Screenshot of an English city instead. Color me surprised.

 

[FinalDoomsday]

Could we see the sounds diary today? They usually show up on thursdays right?

 

[Hawke9]

Feature Focus episodes 3 and 4 have been uploaded on fridays, so it's entirely possible for Amplitude to upload another video today

 

[Siptah]

Could we see the sounds diary today? They usually show up on thursdays right?

I think the screenshot that was uploaded yesterday was last week's anyway. So we might see the dev diary soon...

 

[conorbebe]

Just going to post this video here, which explores the cultures revealed for the Classical Era of Humankind, as we haven't had any new news today. I'm aware a lot of people who frequent this forum are already very knowledgeable when it comes to history, but I think PartyElite's work here is especially well done and deserving of more recognition.

 

[Guandao]

Just going to post this video here, which explores the cultures revealed for the Classical Era of Humankind, as we haven't had any new news today. I'm aware a lot of people who frequent this forum are already very knowledgeable when it comes to history, but I think PartyElite's work here is especially well done and deserving of more recognition.

I was wondering when he was gonna post that!

I liked his first video (on the Ancient Era factions), but he did used the wrong picture for the Olmec archaeological site San Lorenzo (he used a pic of a Spanish colonial fort in Panama with the same name). I was like, um that doesn't look Olmec to me.

 

[Gwydden]

I liked his first video (on the Ancient Era factions), but he did used the wrong picture for the Olmec archaeological site San Lorenzo (he used a pic of a Spanish colonial fort in Panama with the same name). I was like, um that doesn't look Olmec to me.

Time travelling Olmecs confirmed. Call the Ancient Aliens people.

 

[Azem.Ocram]

I'm greatly looking forward to this game! I hope the regions are not too big since one known feature is that they can be combined.

 

[Catoninetales_Amplitude]

I was wondering when he was gonna post that!

I liked his first video (on the Ancient Era factions), but he did used the wrong picture for the Olmec archaeological site San Lorenzo (he used a pic of a Spanish colonial fort in Panama with the same name). I was like, um that doesn't look Olmec to me.

I had forgotten about that. Perhaps the Olmec just transcended several times?

 

[CivLuvah]

Imgur album updated to include the Ghanaians

https://imgur.com/a/4cPjGSY

 

[Krajzen]

I just wanted to randomly say: thank God long silence of Firaxis was followed with "Frontier pass" series of small released instead of some huge, powerful announcement that would directly compete with Humankind release.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

I just wanted to randomly say: thank God long silence of Firaxis was followed with "Frontier pass" series of small released instead of some huge, powerful announcement that would directly compete with Humankind release.

I'm not sure how much it would have mattered. Civ 6 has it's fans and they're happy to get new content in any format. Some of them - and the broader 4x gaming community in general - will also try out HK. If early reviews are good, more of them will try it.

Both HK and Civ are, I think, primarily competing against other forms of entertainment in general, rather than against each other. If a casual gamer plays Civ and enjoys it, I suspect that will make them more likely to try out HK, rather than less … if for no other reason than Steam will spam them with "Since you've been playing Civ X, try out …" ads every time them sign on. Same thing works the other way. The typical gamer will play a game or two, then say "that was fun, anything else out there like that?" rather than "that was fun, now let's try the same thing but playing as culture X instead".

Where what I've said above would not be true - and would be the kiss of death to a franchise - is if one game or the other got labelled as "like X, but worse". If that happens, then yes, they're in competition and one won't make it. But I'm hopeful that it won't.

 

[Siptah]

Take Endless Legend and Age of Wonders III for example as fantasy 4x with some RPG elements. They can easily coexist, have their ups and downs, and I guess most people that like this kind of game have played both. Hopefully, it will be similarly with HK and civ - I know it did for me back in the day with CTP and civ III.

 

[CivLuvah]

Well, this is quite interesting.

https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1263500389594341378?s=20


I guess this means the game will need a higher GPU (or CPU) for minimum requirements?