Humankind Game by Amplitude

[SupremacyKing2]

This might have been discussed before but I noticed some neat things with the army card:

It says "regiment" at the top and it has 4 slots for units. So we see that we can "stack" 4 units in a regiment. I really love this way of doing it where we can "stack" 4 units together into a single "army" unit to move around on the map. that then spread out to fight a battle. It seems to combine the best of 1upt and stacks.

The army has 13 combat strength.

I do wonder if there will be bigger armies, ie bigger than a regiment with more than 4 slots?

There is a some kind of bar under "regiment". I wonder if that is a progress bar towards getting promotions for the stack.

It also says "exhausted" and the movement points are in red "0/4". I wonder if moving the unit the full 4 points too often leads to exhaustion. Or maybe you are allowed to move more than 4 but then get "exhausted" and are forced to rest to recoup the movement points. I am assuming exhausting might also have some kind of negative modifier. If so, this looks like a nice mechanic where you can choose to press your armies hard if you need to get someone quickly but at a cost.

 

[Siptah]

I think the bar is just the average health bar. Nice observations otherwise though.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

I think the bar is just the average health bar. Nice observations otherwise though.

Right, That makes sense. Thanks. We can see that the single unit in the first slot has the same health bar. So the bar at the top is the health bar for the entire army. If he filled all 4 slots, the bar would represent the total health of the entire army.

 

[Elhoim]

Awesome stuff! I can't wait to play it =)

 

[CivLuvah]

As our friends at Paradox Development Studio like to say: Not final numbers are not final.


By the way, here is the actual First Hands-On Impressions article I meant to post earlier but had trouble finding on the IGN site.

From the article:

It’s potentially powerful, but losing your capital will mean losing the game, and defending outlying areas might be more difficult with no forward bases. Having lots of smaller cities will require you to specialize more, but also offers better defense in depth.

Two questions:
1. Will there be a chance to move our capital to another city?
2. How large will the maps choices be? I'm not sure if this has been answered before already here, but I'm worried there wouldn't be enough space for smaller cities in the map if there is only one city per region.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Too much all at once!
But, some things do jump out:

The Army/Regiment commented on above seems to consist of a single unit which from the illustration is an unarmored runner/scout, and therefore pretty certain to be about as low a combat factor as you can get. The combat factor ('muscled arm') is 13. The same factor for the Prodromoi Emblematic Unit of the Myceneans is 24. One assumes, therefore, that an 11-point difference in Combat Factors will allow the Prodromoi to whip the 'scout' every time. I expect @Sostratus will have the entire Combat results Table laid out for us with just a few more clues . . .

The 'Civics' are going to allow a tremendous Customization of your Faction, regardless of which one or type you pick. The screenshot shows at least 34 different Civics, and if you have 2 - 3 different choices or possible results for each, that's a mind-boggling number of possible combinations of effects. I'm going to make a prediction here: bet you anything that some combinations are effectively impossible - that is, some choices will preclude going in certain directions later.

The Conscript versus Professional choice, though, is intriguing. Yes, the Professionals give you stronger units. But look at the Economic/Civil bonuses from Conscripts: 15% across the board on everything in your Capital. Now remember those Mega-city sprawls they showed in some of the early screenshots and imagine what +15% to one of those means in terms of Production and/or Gold! Wonders in One Turn! (Well, probably not, but I suspect buildings and 'Quarters' almost that fast in the late game, unless they have one mighty steep rising curve of costs to match the sprawling city possibilities)

 

[ost]

2. How large will the maps choices be? I'm not sure if this has been answered before already here, but I'm worried there wouldn't be enough space for smaller cities in the map if there is only one city per region.

From the Games2gether forum, Cat-o-Nine-Tails said: "The smallest maps are around the same size as the smallest maps in Civ6, but the bigger maps get a bit bigger, though that is relativized somewhat by the territory and region system resulting in an overall smaller number of cities. Personally I'd say it feels about the same."

 

[SupremacyKing2]

From the Games2gether forum, Cat-o-Nine-Tails said: "The smallest maps are around the same size as the smallest maps in Civ6, but the bigger maps get a bit bigger, though that is relativized somewhat by the territory and region system resulting in an overall smaller number of cities. Personally I'd say it feels about the same."

I am hoping we can customize the number of regions per map size in order to customize how big the regions are for the same map size. That way, if we want more cities for the same map size, we can but if we want fewer cities for the same map size, we can do that as well. I would imagine that some players might want to play with smaller regions for the same map size but other players might prefer bigger regions on the same map size.

 

[notNamed]

The Conscript versus Professional choice, though, is intriguing. Yes, the Professionals give you stronger units. But look at the Economic/Civil bonuses from Conscripts: 15% across the board on everything in your Capital.

That's actually unrelated to the Conscripted/Professional army choice. It's a bonus from leaning towards Authoritarianism (+15% Capital, +5% Other) as opposed to Libertarianism (+5% Capital, +15% Other).
No idea if the middle is supposed to represent some sort of equality (+10% to both) or if the game incentivises leaning one way or the other, though.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

That's actually unrelated to the Conscripted/Professional army choice. It's a bonus from leaning towards Authoritarianism (+15% Capital, +5% Other) as opposed to Libertarianism (+5% Capital, +15% Other).
No idea if the middle is supposed to represent some sort of equality (+10% to both) or if the game incentivises leaning one way or the other, though.

I believe you are correct.

The 4 sliders represent 4 spectrums that your society can fall on. The third slider is authoritarianism versus liberty. We can see in this screenshot that the player is leaning more towards liberty (the left side).

And it was mentioned in one of the videos that authoritarianism which grants the +15% food, money, industry, science to your capital will favor a "tall" play style since your capital gets higher yields than your other cities. Liberty which grants the +15% higher yields to your unadministrated cities and your capital only gets +5% will favor a "wide" style since your other cities get more yields.

These sliders change base on your decisions when you get those special events.

We see the same icons from the bottom slider in this special event:

Based on these choices, it looks like the last slider at the bottom might represent tradition versus enlightenment. The light bulb represents enlightenment. Or the slider might be class based versus egalitarian. Not sure.

So as you pick these choices, the game will assign points to each slider causing the sliders to shift towards one side or the other. You get bonuses based on the position of the slider.

So you get a fixed bonus from the civic. "conscripts" grants -20% production cost for units. "professional soldiers" grants +1 combat strength. And then you also get 4 sets of bonuses based on where each of the 4 sliders are.

 

[ost]

So if the third slider is libertarianism vs authoritarianism, the second slider icons look to me like nationalism (or isolationism) vs globalism, and the fourth slider icons traditionalism vs progressivism. Any thoughts on what ideological continuum the top slider represents? Maybe individualism vs collectivism?

 

[SupremacyKing2]

So if the third slider is libertarianism vs authoritarianism, the second slider icons look to me like nationalism (or isolationism) vs globalism, and the fourth slider icons traditionalism vs progressivism. Any thoughts on what ideological continuum the top slider represents? Maybe individualism vs collectivism?

Individualism vs collectivism sounds right to me. The icons look like little people grouped together (collectivism) versus one person above the rest (indvidualism).

And I also agree about isolationism/nationalism versus globalism.

So the sliders would be from left to right

Collectivism -------------Individualism
Isolationism ------------- Globalism
Libertarian --------------------Authoritarianism
Traditionalism -------------Progressivism

 

[CivLuvah]

I believe you are correct.

The 4 sliders represent 4 spectrums that your society can fall on. The third slider is authoritarianism versus liberty. We can see in this screenshot that the player is leaning more towards liberty (the left side).

And it was mentioned in one of the videos that authoritarianism which grants the +15% food, money, industry, science to your capital will favor a "tall" play style since your capital gets higher yields than your other cities. Liberty which grants the +15% higher yields to your unadministrated cities and your capital only gets +5% will favor a "wide" style since your other cities get more yields.

The icon for authoritarianism looks like an umbrella *just sayin*

 

[CivLuvah]

And I also agree about isolationism/nationalism versus globalism.

I don't know. The concept is the same but I have a feeling they're going to use different terms.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

The icon for authoritarianism looks like an umbrella *just sayin*

No. I think it is the other way around. The "umbrella" icon is Liberty. The gavel icon is Authoritarianism.

I say that because that matches better with the choices from this event.

We see that paying off the witnesses to be quiet is the "gavel" icon which fits with authoritarianism. The choice to overlook the gossip is the "umbrella" icon which would fit with Liberty.

 

[Sostratus]

The "umbrella" icon is Liberty.

It looks like a bird to me. A flying bird, wings outstretched. Free as a bird and all that.

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I haven't been keeping active tabs on this game but it looks kind of like a civ setting but with empire building elements of eg Stellaris (mix and match type stuff, civics, ethics, etc.) I just hope they execute their ideas well; either way it will drive some innovation in civ 7.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

That's actually unrelated to the Conscripted/Professional army choice. It's a bonus from leaning towards Authoritarianism (+15% Capital, +5% Other) as opposed to Libertarianism (+5% Capital, +15% Other).
No idea if the middle is supposed to represent some sort of equality (+10% to both) or if the game incentivises leaning one way or the other, though.

With all due respect, I think you might have it backwards. The choices given in this case are specifically between Libertarianism and Authoritarianism.
If you look at both sides, the slider is offset in opposite directions depending on which choice you make: Conscript versus Professional Army. I think that means that based on your choice, the Slider will move in a given direction and therefore the 'bonuses' are related to your choice of 'Conscripts', which is a choice in favor of more Control/Government Authority.
That, I suspect, also means that most or all of the 'Civic' choices move one or more of the Sliders - and therefore a series of choices all moving Sliders in the same direction will result in 'extremes' of society/culture/Faction.
Bet you anything that Extreme Is Not Good in the long run, and will result in obvious immediate advantages but more subtle long-term disadvantages.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

It looks like a bird to me. A flying bird, wings outstretched. Free as a bird and all that.

Yes, it is a flying bird. I just referred to it as an "umbrella" in quotes because @CivLuvah said he thought it looked like an umbrella.

I haven't been keeping active tabs on this game but it looks kind of like a civ setting but with empire building elements of eg Stellaris (mix and match type stuff, civics, ethics, etc.) I just hope they execute their ideas well; either way it will drive some innovation in civ 7.

Actually Humankind looks like a total conversion mod of Endless Legends with a few new things thrown in. A lot of the UI is very similar to Endless Legends.

 

[Sostratus]

Bet you anything that Extreme Is Not Good in the long run, and will result in obvious immediate advantages but more subtle long-term disadvantages.

But only Anarcho-Fascism, the imposition of maximal freedom by a totalitarian state, can secure a bright future for my nation!

Actually Humankind looks like a total conversion mod of Endless Legends with a few new things thrown in. A lot of the UI is very similar to Endless Legends

I've never actually played endless legends, or seen anything about it.
The trailers for HK make me wonder how big the worlds are. Do we have a good idea yet? And is there an understanding of city dynamics - one city seems organic but what if I want to achieve tokyo density? Imagine... the Greater American Industrial Zone, stretching from sea to shining sea...

 

[Elhoim]

The trailers for HK make me wonder how big the worlds are. Do we have a good idea yet? And is there an understanding of city dynamics - one city seems organic but what if I want to achieve tokyo density? Imagine... the Greater American Industrial Zone, stretching from sea to shining sea...

The districts can end up covering the whole territory, and it seems you can merge cities in the late game.