Humankind Game by Amplitude

[Boris Gudenuf]

But only Anarcho-Fascism, the imposition of maximal freedom by a totalitarian state, can secure a bright future for my nation!

I've never actually played endless legends, or seen anything about it.
The trailers for HK make me wonder how big the worlds are. Do we have a good idea yet? And is there an understanding of city dynamics - one city seems organic but what if I want to achieve tokyo density? Imagine... the Greater American Industrial Zone, stretching from sea to shining sea...

According to @Catoninetales_Amplitude, the largest maps in Humankind are somewhat larger than the largest map in Civ VI.

Which means, if you can cover entire regions with City and then merge the regions so the city spreads over 20 - 50 - 100+ tiles, that +15% Bonus to Gold and Production from the one Civics choice in such a Megalopolis becomes awesome!

 

[tedhebert]

This all looks SO awesome... I can't wait to see if I'm in the lucky ones chosen for the OPENDEV. I have received my confirmation email, but I really feel it just confirms I'm in the list, not that I'm chosen.

This might have been discussed before but I noticed some neat things with the army card:

It says "regiment" at the top and it has 4 slots for units. So we see that we can "stack" 4 units in a regiment. I really love this way of doing it where we can "stack" 4 units together into a single "army" unit to move around on the map. that then spread out to fight a battle. It seems to combine the best of 1upt and stacks.

The army has 13 combat strength.

I do wonder if there will be bigger armies, ie bigger than a regiment with more than 4 slots?

There is a some kind of bar under "regiment". I wonder if that is a progress bar towards getting promotions for the stack.

It also says "exhausted" and the movement points are in red "0/4". I wonder if moving the unit the full 4 points too often leads to exhaustion. Or maybe you are allowed to move more than 4 but then get "exhausted" and are forced to rest to recoup the movement points. I am assuming exhausting might also have some kind of negative modifier. If so, this looks like a nice mechanic where you can choose to press your armies hard if you need to get someone quickly but at a cost.

I wonder if they might not be going a little in the same direction as Endless Space 2 and the Fleet system. For those who never played it, it allowed you to join together in a fleet a bunch of ship. Each ship had something called (from memory, not altogether sure of the name) Command Points, and your fleets had a certain max number of command points available in its formation. The VERY interesting point about that system was that some research through the technology tree were specifically to increase that Max Command Points to fleet. It allowed you to get much stronger, but you had to spend time and resource to research it first. I could very well envision the same kind of system here,
where the regiment size and strength would be defined by a likewise value that could be increased by teching, or even civics...

@Catoninetales_Amplitude, thanks a lot for all this wonderful info, I'm sure you're all very glad to finally be able to let us get a little more info and play images ;-) Is there any chance you CAN (tm) comment on my previous paragraph ? ;-)

 

[Siptah]

For a few frames, the IGN video shows a tooltip that the last of the civic sliders seems to be more science vs. more influence.

 

[Shadowhal]

Great to see a whole slew of information and proper gameplay footage. Very welcome.

Of course, it also raises many more questions which I suspect will need to "later(TM)" for full replies:

1. How are civic points earned? How does it interact with other game systems, e.g. a completely separate "currency" and diplomatic interactions.
2. The previous question whether there are downsides to going to extremes in the civic bars. And to what extent one could "reverse course" over the game without first losing all benefits accumulated, i.e. by "going back down" the scale.
3. I like how events interact with those civic bars/levers. Reminiscent of ES2 event's influence on politics, but hopefully simpler/more transparent.
   
4. What are "unadministered" cities and their counter-parts? The IGN article suggests it's those going over your expansion limit, using a similar mechanism as in ES2. Would also be interesting if there was some interaction between level of control and administration status.
5. Interesting to see "per territory" bonuses - another way to make "tall" gameplay feasible.
6. Interesting to see a similar, but slightly different take on unstacked cities and adjacency bonuses, compared to Civ VI. To keep under observation. I generally also liked the EL system.

Also, EL already had a one-army-per-tile system which capped the number of units in an army. The limit could similarly be increased by research. Of course, space allowed introduction of different command point requirements per unit which is probably not as applicable to a historical game.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

1. How are civic points earned? How does it interact with other game systems, e.g. a completely separate "currency" and diplomatic interactions.

The IGN demo does mention that civics are earned through a currency called "stability".

 

[Siptah]

Stability is hopefully a different kind of currency than gold or science. You should not amass it over time and then spend it on something.
Rather, your stability should always be somewhere between two defined values (0-100 for example), and your stability rate influences resource generation, cost to buy and build things, diplomacy, etc. This might also be why civics are earned "through stability": the more stable your empire is, the faster civics are unlocked. iirc the screen in the video said "next civic unlocks in 25 turns" which seems quite a long time if you intend to unlock all 30-something of them.

 

[FinalDoomsday]

Wouldent having a stable state encourage maintaining the status quo? Or is it more that the longer a state is stable the greater the chance of reform/revolution because the cracks inevitably begin to show and humans are naturally restless? Guess its hard to comment without fully understanding how it works.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Wouldent having a stable state encourage maintaining the status quo? Or is it more that the longer a state is stable the greater the chance of reform/revolution because the cracks inevitably begin to show and humans are naturally restless? Guess its hard to comment without fully understanding how it works.

Stability could represent a country that is not dealing with serious problems like famine or civil unrest and therefore is able to devote more resources to culture/philosophy to come up with new civics. If you have to devote a lot of resources just to feeding your people or just to maintain order, then you are "unstable". Your country would be on the brink of collapse. And in that case, you don't have a lot of resources to devote to coming up with new civics. We see this in 3rd world countries that devote most of their energies just holding the country together and don't have a lot of resources to improve their government or education etc...

 

[Elhoim]

 

[conorbebe]

Just came here to say that the UI is so nice to look at. Well, everything is really.

I do hope Wonders have more unique effects in the finished build however. I don't want bonuses to be purely numerical, as that would be incredibly dull.

 

[Siptah]

Amazing! Where did you find that?

This also helps us discriminating the Hunnic EQ from the Mongol one. They are hopefully different, as the Hunnic ones does nothing apparently.

 

[Elhoim]

This a great video:

 

[Siptah]

And here's the benefits of the Temple or Artemis

I have to say, the videos look really awesome and I'm positively surprised by some reveals, like full control over combat and reducing the turns in a battle to 3 compared to EL.

 

[riddleofsteel]

Wouldent having a stable state encourage maintaining the status quo? Or is it more that the longer a state is stable the greater the chance of reform/revolution because the cracks inevitably begin to show and humans are naturally restless? Guess its hard to comment without fully understanding how it works.

Is that a mechanic that's actually going to be in the game?

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Marbozir, who is an expert civ player, got an early build of the game and posted his preview after playing for a few hours:

 

[SupremacyKing2]

And here's the benefits of the Temple or Artemis
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I have to say, the videos look really awesome and I'm positively surprised by some reveals, like full control over combat and reducing the turns in a battle to 3 compared to EL.

Yeah, Temple of Artemis seems to have a nice bonus. It seems more powerful than Hanging Gardens.

 

[Elhoim]

Some interesting screengabs:

Benefit of the pyramid of Giza:

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Agrarian ability looks really interesting. You can steal pop from neighboring civs.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

And we got our answer to the civics sliders. We were pretty close on the concepts, just got a couple names wrong.

They are:

Collectivism vs Individualism
Homeland vs World
Liberty vs Authority
Tradition vs Progress

also we learn that having the slider in the middle will give you a bit of both, like we saw +15% yields to capital AND +5% to unadministrated cities. So taking a middle of the road approach can help you get a bit of everything whereas going to extremes, will give you big bonuses only in one area at the detriment of the other.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Stability is like Happiness but it does not affect yields. It only affects if cities revolt and is how you unlock new civics. Basically, it's the happiness of your city. If it falls too low, your cities will revolt. Keep it high and you will unlock civics faster.