Humankind- Zulus discussion thread

[8housesofelixir]

Maybe Commercial Maori/Hawaii?

I am not super familiar with Maori (Militarist?), but Hawaii would be pretty much Aesthete with a strong emphasis on civic points (they only spent 50 years to evolve themselves from a newly united chiefdom into a modern constitutional monarchy).

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

Is there seriously not an American or United States culture in the Industrial Era?!?

At least tell me it’s to fleece everyone into buying day one DLC, and not that they’ve been excluded entirely from the era.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Is there seriously not an American or United States culture in the Industrial Era?!?

To my knowledge USA will be in the Contemporary Era.

 

[CivLuvah]

Is there seriously not an American or United States culture in the Industrial Era?!?

The United States only became prominent during the 20th century, so putting them into the last era would make sense.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Is there seriously not an American or United States culture in the Industrial Era?!?

At least tell me it’s to fleece everyone into buying day one DLC, and not that they’ve been excluded entirely from the era.

From a gameplay standpoint it makes since probably for Americans to be in Contemporary as well you can roleplay and transcend from the British in the Industrial.

Anyway nothing particular about the Zulu that hasn't already be said.
I for one don't mind that the Zulu appear in all these types of games personally but oh well, I'm in the minority. Though I'm assuming they are the Industrial faction that will use the horde mechanic so that might make them more interesting than what have been in other games.

Don't worry I still think Ethiopia might show up but as Contemporary.

 

[8housesofelixir]

From a gameplay standpoint it makes since probably for Americans to be in Contemporary as well you can roleplay and transcend from the British in the Industrial.

The first time I looked at the cultural list I am dreaming of a full naval play: Phoenicians - Carthaginians - Norsemen (they have the earliest ocean crossing EU) - Dutch or Venetians (Joseon Koreans is actually more beneficial, for they can get your costal tiles yeeting science, but Joseon IRL was not a naval regime) - British - British (transcended) or Americans.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The first time I looked at the cultural list I am dreaming of a full naval play: Phoenicians - Carthaginians - Norsemen (they have the earliest ocean crossing EU) - Dutch or Venetians (Joseon Koreans is actually more beneficial, for they can get your costal tiles yeeting science, but Joseon IRL was not a naval regime) - British - British (transcended) or Americans.

Maybe you'll get your wish if the Americans EU is the Great White Fleet.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Maybe you'll get your wish if the Americans EU is the Great White Fleet.

IIRC the Contemporary Era in Humankind is about 1920-2020, so probably Iowa-class battleships or some Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Both are great thalassocracy tools.

 

[zhugejingqi]

IIRC the Contemporary Era in Humankind is about 1920-2020, so probably Iowa-class battleships or some Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Both are great thalassocracy tools.

Although I also hope that there will be a Navy characteristic unit in American culture, according to the known information, in modern times, there is only one ship with the ability to sneak as the characteristic unit of a certain culture

 

[zhugejingqi]

Probably Zumwalt or Arleigh Burke.

 

[Zaarin]

Those spears and leather shields must be awfully impressive if Zulu is going to be competitive as a Militarist power in the gunpowder age.

Is there seriously not an American or United States culture in the Industrial Era?!?

The US was a nobody for most of the Industrial Era. It makes sense to save them for Contemporary.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Those spears and leather shields must be awfully impressive if Zulu is going to be competitive as a Militarist power in the gunpowder age.

A horde symbol was seen on the tech tree in the Industrial Era. I'm thinking the Zulu might get the horde treatment like the Huns and the Mongols. That might help them keep up.

 

[CivLuvah]

The US was a nobody for most of the Industrial Era. It makes sense to save them for Contemporary.

The US only became important in the Industrial Era... because the US tried to project themselves as an important player in the Industrial Era. during the height of their power in the contemporary era. It's like how Virgil tried to portray Rome as an important power pre-Punic Wars, during the height of Rome's power.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

IIRC the Contemporary Era in Humankind is about 1920-2020, so probably Iowa-class battleships or some Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Both are great thalassocracy tools.

The Essex class aircraft carrier. The USA built 24 of them and only stopped construction on another 8 because the war ended. That single class represented more aircraft carriers than everyone else in the world combined had built, and it was the largest single class of capital ships built in the 20th century. It would be a most typical US Emblematic Unit: they carried more aircraft than anybody else's carriers of the same weight class, could launch them faster, and the US Navy fielded them in Task Forces any one of which had more striking power than any other Navy in the world.

 

[mitsho]

Industrial Era America is the time of the Wild West, of Manifest Destiny and when it became the Land of Opportunity. It is definitely a must, but it runs headlong into the problem of how to name it. I can see them chosing against it and pushing it back to a DLC.

Zulu is... well, you can do it and it can be quite interesting gameplaywise. And that’s what it is about, giving other options to the player who is behind. I‘d rather have seen Ethiopia as representing Africa, but you can‘t say they are not emblematic.

It‘s a good culture card again.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1328745119592361986?s=19

Unit: Impi
Quarter: Warrior's Izindlu

Affinity: Militant

And they quote 'Industrial' Era instead of Middle ages or Renaissance. they took historical timeline where Brits redcoats (with Martini rifles) faced off against them. rather than when Impi should theoretically appear.
I ain't gonna play Zulu. I'd pick my homeland. Siam and use Gatling elephants against them instead

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

The Essex class aircraft carrier. The USA built 24 of them and only stopped construction on another 8 because the war ended. That single class represented more aircraft carriers than everyone else in the world combined had built, and it was the largest single class of capital ships built in the 20th century. It would be a most typical US Emblematic Unit: they carried more aircraft than anybody else's carriers of the same weight class, could launch them faster, and the US Navy fielded them in Task Forces any one of which had more striking power than any other Navy in the world.

But in the end. the Pentagon even judged that Aviatian has already made Navy obsolete. and even considered put them ALL into the sky and do something like many flicks or videogames often cited
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/s...st/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20080716022829

 

[Narcisse]

hehe, I feel than Impi will be the best unit to take down the gatling elephant, take my bet

 

[Sostratus]

I’m not surprised they went with essentially the civ5 scramble for Africa version of the Zulu, although it may be a decent game mechanic it’s bound to stir a little controversy.
(If Isandlwana had gone the way of the other battles that happened at the same time, we wouldn’t even be talking about them. Sometimes I think they benefit from low expectations- even something like the Buffalo Horns is by no means a unique concept.)

But in the end. the Pentagon even judged that Aviatian has already made Navy obsolete.

Well maybe a traditional Surface combatant navy, but the entire point of aircraft carriers is that you can take planes on the ocean. If the pentagon truly felt land based planes completely obsolete aircraft carriers, we probably wouldn’t see them building the Ford Class. Those super carriers individually rival many national air forces (and national defense budgets.)

I’m totally with you on the elephant meta though. I’m either going to skew agrarian or builder in HK based on what I have seen so far, but I love that we have so many elephant EUs available!

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Well maybe a traditional Surface combatant navy, but the entire point of aircraft carriers is that you can take planes on the ocean. If the pentagon truly felt land based planes completely obsolete aircraft carriers, we probably wouldn’t see them building the Ford Class. Those super carriers individually rival many national air forces (and national defense budgets.)

I think i've seen US Navy history documentary (or maybe theoretical/Scifi weapon like Flying CV seen in Marvel Universe movies) somewhere that cited something like by the end of Second World War. the Pentagon even plan to replace Navy with Air Force alone (Not even CV were spared). But when Korean War broke out. the Pentagon eventually withdrawn this concept and develop postwar battlefleet concepts with heaviest gun-ships being Destroyers (and DD grew in size that eventually it ended up as big as what previously referred to as 'Cruisers', around the size of WW2 De Zeven Provincien (Netherlands couldn't afford BB by that time despite their navy history that they were big fans of Ships of the Line (like what you've seen in RF with Dutch UU is Raze-built Galleon named De Zeven Provincien which it is a proper use of unit names and graphic representations compared to 'frigate' @Boris Gudenuf will explain why). With this, Battleships were slowly phased out and the lasts BBs to retire were eventually nothing but a heavily armored giant Missile Cruisers (Iowa and New Jersey), and with new warships of battlefleets (barring CVs) came with missiles of different kinds, no bigger than Tico or Burke (Except Zumwalt with US Navy wished to replace BB with) and no armor platings AT ALL!

^ De Zeven Provincien of 20th Century, eventually sold to Peru. If Netherlands were as prosperious as in Renaissance De Zeven Provincien will be something as big and as mighty as Bismarc.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/y...st/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20160828034959
^ This is what Iowa and New Jersey might be if US Navy kept upgrading them