I hate god

[Stylesjl]

Yes, I know that. My post was an anti-war, music reference for Curt that also dangled the proposition that love trumps all else.

Sorry it's kinda hard to tell a person's tone on the internet

 

[Birdjaguar]

I've argued on the side of science as well, despite being Christian. Isn't it unfortunate that we are expected to choose either religion or science?

As a species we like to categorize things and build easy to recognize groups. Membership in groups and social organizations make us feel comfortable, so people who don't choose one group or the other can make others feel uncomfortable.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Sorry it's kinda hard to tell a person's tone on the internet

Not a problem. It was a public post directed at Curt, but pretty indirect in its message. There was no way for you to know my intent. I saw your post as an effort to be helpful.

 

[Ecclesiastes]

Simply: Creation.

Humanity was the epitomy of Creation including over Angels. Angels were made to be direct servants of God. Humans were meant to have fellowship with God. Animals were meant to be under Man's dominion. Creation was made for people.

Now this I dont get, whats so different from us and animals that we have to be higher than them and rule over them, it makes no sence. We have the same organ systems and organ structures, and same tissue typesa nd cells. The only difference between uys two is we have some parts larger or smaller than animals, so why the hell are we so "superior".

 

[Shylock]

He loves you though and yes let's not get into the logical intepritation of omniscient, could go on untill we're dead.

And ironically we'll only figure it out once we're dead.


Arguing about these things is simply masturbatory. We can't find out, but God's very nature he cannot be fathomed by mortals.

 

[Gilder]

If there was a God, he wouldn't of canned the Skies of Arcadia sequel.

 

[Quasar1011]

Why? Because if god created the universe, then he created, sin, bad people, and evil. Then he punishes those whom he created that way by sending them to hell for all eternity.

God created the universe. He created good people. But He gave those good people free will. They used that free will to sin. What are you doing with your own free will?

By the way, God doesn't send anybody to Hell. Where a person spends eternity, is entirely up to them.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

eh.. my opinion? Read "The Rebel" by Albert Camus and save yourself years of loneliness and depression.

warning: loneliness and depression often sure-fire ways to becoming intelligent and rational. Absent of which may turn you into an idiot.

 

[CaptainF]

God created the universe. He created good people. But He gave those good people free will. They used that free will to sin. What are you doing with your own free will?

By the way, God doesn't send anybody to Hell. Where a person spends eternity, is entirely up to them.

If people are good, why do they choose to do bad things?

 

[bhsup]

The point is, your generalizations on religious people are not all true and is quite offensive and rude to generalize people on the basis on the actions of a few. .

Quoting this so I'll remember it the next time you make comments about Protestants.

 

[puglover]

If people are good, why do they choose to do bad things?

They corrupt themselves gradually by selfish pursuits. Only through humility and Christ's sacrifice can a person truly be freed of the burden of evil.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

But human=selfish pursuit anyway. People can be both good (or claim to be good) and be evil at the same time. They weren't corrupted, they're human. The suppression of all that 'evil' is essentially suppression of the human element.

 

[Nick Garai]

Now this I dont get, whats so different from us and animals that we have to be higher than them and rule over them, it makes no sence. We have the same organ systems and organ structures, and same tissue typesa nd cells. The only difference between uys two is we have some parts larger or smaller than animals, so why the hell are we so "superior".

Because when God made Creation, humanity was given the command to have dominion of everything. To name everything etc... We are not so much superior but completely different in our purpose for existence in Creation.

 

[Shadylookin]

I don't beleive in god, but you know something, even if he did exist I would hate him. When I refer to "God" I am reffering to the Abrahamic version of god that Jews, Christians, Muslims and close offshoots beleive.

Why? Because if god created the universe, then he created, sin, bad people, and evil. Then he punishes those whom he created that way by sending them to hell for all eternity.

It's like making a computer program, knowing everything about it, and having absolute control over it's actions, and then punishing it for something you made it do!

but what if god is also part of the computer program and has no real choice?

but yes I agree that if the abrahamic god existed he would be quite the unlikeable jerk.

 

[CaptainF]

They corrupt themselves gradually by selfish pursuits. Only through humility and Christ's sacrifice can a person truly be freed of the burden of evil.

Where did all this evil crap come from then?

Humans have been selfish for all history. Its a part of who we are.

 

[Quasar1011]

If people are good, why do they choose to do bad things?

Simply put, because we have a sin nature. That means that every person has a natural tendency to do things against the will of God. Look at toddlers. Do we teach them to do good, or to do evil? They already know how to do bad things- they were born that way.

A better question would be, why did the first humans choose to do evil?

 

[Nick Garai]

If people are good, why do they choose to do bad things?

People have the free will and choice to do bad things. After The Fall, we fell from grace but were redeemed to be Holy again because of Christ.

Anyone can do a "bad" thing. It is our choice to do so.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Doesn't cause and effect imply determinism?

 

[CaptainF]

Simply put, because we have a sin nature. That means that every person has a natural tendency to do things against the will of God. Look at toddlers. Do we teach them to do good, or to do evil? They already know how to do bad things- they were born that way.

A better question would be, why did the first humans choose to do evil?

But then where did this stuff about humans being fundamentally good come from? Which is it?

 

[Nick Garai]

But human=selfish pursuit anyway. People can be both good (or claim to be good) and be evil at the same time. They weren't corrupted, they're human. The suppression of all that 'evil' is essentially suppression of the human element.

No. An unredeemed human is selfish. Someone who is born-again can do both evil and good however over time there is a transforming or renewing of someone so that those "evil" acts eventually disband. It sounds silly but the more you devote yourself to Christ, these "evil" thoughts, do eventually disappear. Until you are there you cannot understand.

1 Cor 1:18
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. " (NIV)

Romans 12:2a
"Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." (NIV)