I managed to found at last why Civ 2 is the best

[armchairknight]

Its agreeable a vastly undeveloped strategy sounds boring, why do you play like that. I build Citys not a bunch of hickvilles.

I guess everyone does like playing their own way. Seriously Im not sure, once a easy way has been found to expliot a AI weakness has the time come to repeatly drive it home till you vimit? or is it better if you switch up the conditions or varibles to suit a better challange. Really? Cause Im refering to both games, cause they both got weak AI's if you want to knit pick vannila gameplay, but thats what moddings all about

In Civ4 I found I was just press'n the turn button and I winning the space race without dropping the gloves once! I swear anyone could pull of a win by just building a few citys and then just going with the flow. Thats my secet to beating that game. So one guy carpets with a bunch of underdevloped citys and then turtles up in the sequal, If you like one style more thats cool its all in what you dig man.

I love big maps I don't get the 20 minute please waits... but if Empires were a bother, I'd raise the food taken by each pop point, then make more resources extra juicy and have the strategy move towards key city placement.
Its never been a game of spreading li towns around for me. First its the dash for real estate then the techrace starts (weapons race follows). Hickville spamming gets me nilch

Ive seen it all been done, and done well. I like large and in charge. Call it sprawlin but its whats best for me. As long as its mixed with the M O D, CIV 4 will always feel like its Mini-me, well you know, when its standin next to three.
Im out, Later

Hey, T.A, how you been?

Well, lemme see...I'm a one trick pony? Surely not, but I guess I'm sometimes a lazy one! I didn't start out with the city spamming as it seems to be called these days, but once I discovered it, I used it more and more. It greatly increased my score, so I was rewarded for "repeatedly driving it home 'til vomit." I guess I did grow into a very scripted playing style, aimed at the highest possible score. It never dulled my joy in playing the game. In fact, the opposite is true. I took increasing pride in my increasing score. Great fun, really. In Civ IV, I "turtle"? If you want to put it that way. I think that sounds more defensive than I feel when I play, but otherwise it fits well enough. I've won every kind of victory possible except the Space race in Civ IV. Conquest and Domination are not my more common victory types, it's true. Cultural, Diplomatic, and Time are my more common victories. Recently, I've started disabling Time as I feel robbed when I win this way. For you it's about challenge. For me, it's about relaxing. I've more than enough challenge in my life. I love huge maps, it's a very rare game indeed that I play on any other size.

 

[armchairknight]

We always remember the old days better than they were, because of simple nostalgia. Everything was new. I am when I first tried Civ 1, there was this WOW feeling, never seen before thing. Civ 2 had it too (I only played Civ 1 a year or so, before the sequel came out), and played it up until Civ 3, which is the bottom of the ladder of the series. Either Civ 3 or Civ 4 have this new mythical glow, because we have seen it before. Ask a 16 year old that have only played Civ 3/4, how he/she would see Civ 1/2.

It is simple nostalgia and expectations, noting more, nothing less. Generally play what you like to play.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[drkodos]

We always remember the old days better than they were, because of simple nostalgia. Everything was new. I am when I first tried Civ 1, there was this WOW feeling, never seen before thing. Civ 2 had it too (I only played Civ 1 a year or so, before the sequel came out), and played it up until Civ 3, which is the bottom of the ladder of the series. Either Civ 3 or Civ 4 have this new mythical glow, because we have seen it before. Ask a 16 year old that have only played Civ 3/4, how he/she would see Civ 1/2.

It is simple nostalgia and expectations, noting more, nothing less. Generally play what you like to play.

Some people do.


Some things were better then. Some are better now. I liked the old Firebirds better than the new ones. I like the new Porsches better than the old ones. Everything is independent, not time driven or nostalgia driven, for me. More about utilitarianism.


Re: The Game.

I like the new game. I liked the old game. I don't even bother to compare. I left that compare and contrast stuff back in sixth grade where it belongs.


I enjoy things for what they are and don't hang up on what they are not. Life is too short for that.


Peace! Or Warmongering! As is your choice!

 

[Naokaukodem]

Why do you say "simple" nostalgia? I feel a little annoyed that you sum up my former arguments by "dumb" nostalgia.

That's about a feeling for sure. If Civ2 seemed "wow", why not do as so Civ4 seem "wow" as well, instead of proposing the overall same thing? I'm not nostalgic of Civ2 [well I am], I don't care if this is here and that is asso. I just want the same feeling, no matter how to reach it, as I explained before. Even if, I'm conscious of that, it could not really be the same, but that's not what I am talking about. I'm talking about a quantifiable feeling. The elements I refered in the first post are objective, or try to be. I don't pretend to recreate the universe I was in when I first played Civ2, with the barbecue and my aunt at home. That is nostalgia. I just tryed to insulate the critical feelings that were making Civ2 a better experience than Civ3 et 4, taking care, all particularly, not to interfere with any nostagic feeling.

 

[T.A JONES]

vomit." I guess I did grow into a very scripted playing style, aimed at the highest possible score. It never dulled my joy in playing the game. In fact, the opposite is true. I took increasing pride in my increasing score. Great fun, really.

Hey its good to finnaly here from ya man You seem like a builder type from what you say about how you juice up all your citys in Civ4. We share the same style then, Your taking pride in getting the highest score relates to my constant aim in breaking old cultural bench marks and reinventing the ideal production and reaserch levels put out for a single city, or my entire empire.

Specific Stats are well organized but the overall point system is somewhat flawed in how its derived. The real score in Civ3 is broad based. If you played my way, 1st rush for Real estate, 2nd tech chase and 3rd the Arms race, you could have kept a winning strategy while still enjoying setting new records in many aspects that related to your building style vs the spreading lil towns around style! :Just though you should no

Btw, I said the arms race comes last because world war doesn't break out untill all the land has been taken for some time but techs have to be obtained well beore that.

 

[NikG]

Why do you say "simple" nostalgia? I feel a little annoyed that you sum up my former arguments by "dumb" nostalgia.

That's about a feeling for sure. If Civ2 seemed "wow", why not do as so Civ4 seem "wow" as well, instead of proposing the overall same thing? I'm not nostalgic of Civ2 [well I am], I don't care if this is here and that is asso. I just want the same feeling, no matter how to reach it, as I explained before. Even if, I'm conscious of that, it could not really be the same, but that's not what I am talking about. I'm talking about a quantifiable feeling. The elements I refered in the first post are objective, or try to be. I don't pretend to recreate the universe I was in when I first played Civ2, with the barbecue and my aunt at home. That is nostalgia. I just tryed to insulate the critical feelings that were making Civ2 a better experience than Civ3 et 4, taking care, all particularly, not to interfere with any nostagic feeling.

I didnt sum your arguments up to "dumb" nostalgia. I have the feeling about something lacks in all new games. I still lack some kind of wow feeling when I play a new game, that have been seen before. Most people always glorify their past or the past. Somethings in Civ 4 aint that good, but somethings in Civ 2 where so simple and just plain stupid. I mean the new border system can limit some old strategies and can sometimes be a little "argh" because an AI just plot a city down, and you are not able to expand. But in civ 3 the AI cheated my cities in deserts, just because there would be "hidden" oil or saltpeter reserves, but they would not have the technology to use it the next 4000 years. In Civ 2, the AI kept going into the city borders, and sometimes you needed to cast them out every turn for 100 turns!

But anyway, what I mean, play Civ 2, or Civ 3 or anything else, go into these forum and praise them, and not try to convince some one else. Do any go into the civ 2 forums and rant about how bad civ 2 is compared to civ 4? No!

 

[Naokaukodem]

Yes, it could be annoying in Civ2, particularly with the ZOC preventing to move on your own territory. But one had to declare war and generally no AI were going through territory anymore, if you ever noticed.

But what I'm saying is not because I compare Civ4 to an older Civ that it is invalidated. That's what the other persons around seem to say, and I can't agree.

Oh now I express myself anywhere... I exposed the reasons above, I will not begin over. Just stop that crap...

 

[SWETBANG]

I can understand people when they say they enjoyed Civ2 the most. I think what made Civ2 so good was the fact that it was so simple. I definetely played that game a lot more than any others in the series. It was so addictive.

But that was then, Civ2 isn't half the game Civ4 is, literally.

 

[Older than Dirt]

Civ 4 is unquestionably the best game ever, or ever will be. How can you top being able to found all "major religions" and build their "shrines" in Des Moines, Iowa, or Vorkuta, Russia? I rest my case. (Just because I am a lawyer, don't question my sincerity.)

 

[T.A JONES]

That is the main point I didn't like about IV, the first to discover insert tech founds insert religon????? What the hell is that about? First one to polytheism is holier that number 2? And then Polytheism starts Hinduism, which isn't Polytheistic? I think the units look strange too

Well my Pops is also a lawyer and I hired him to flat out object to your sad and ill thought case and use this real Civ4 players opinion as my defense its as good as any of the many opinions Ive heard, and agree with that directly oppose your "respected opinion' on religeons

Case dimissed

 

[NikG]

Yes, it could be annoying in Civ2, particularly with the ZOC preventing to move on your own territory. But one had to declare war and generally no AI were going through territory anymore, if you ever noticed.

But what I'm saying is not because I compare Civ4 to an older Civ that it is invalidated. That's what the other persons around seem to say, and I can't agree.

Oh now I express myself anywhere... I exposed the reasons above, I will not begin over. Just stop that crap...

Stop you own <snip>, frog eaten imp!

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Hey I meant crab! The ones with 6? legs... Sorry, wrong button!

 

[Naokaukodem]

Et voilà!

 

[armchairknight]

Civ 4 is unquestionably the best game ever, or ever will be. How can you top being able to found all "major religions" and build their "shrines" in Des Moines, Iowa, or Vorkuta, Russia? I rest my case. (Just because I am a lawyer, don't question my sincerity.)

Trust me, Civ V will probably be better. Though I'm not sure how.

 

[armchairknight]

Well my Pops is also a lawyer and I hired him to flat out object to your sad and ill thought case and use this real Civ4 players opinion as my defense its as good as any of the many opinions Ive heard, and agree with that directly oppose your "respected opinion' on religeons

Case dimissed

All Rise, The Honorable T.A Jones is presiding.

 

[T.A JONES]

Stop you own <snip>, frog eaten imp!

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Order!! .....There will be order in this court

btw, thanks man, from a 'honarable' member such as yourself, this comes as quite a compliment

 

[zeeter]

I can't take it anymore.

If you don't like the game, go out and take a C++ class, hire a bunch of graphics experts (or sprites if you hate graphics), and write your own game. Make it whatever you want. If you like Civ2 so much, buy the source code from Hasbro and add all of the things from SMAC that you liked.

We've got one guy who brings up decently thought out points about Civ2. Then he blows his credibility because he can't take people disagreeing with him. Then we've got a bunch of other people arguing just for the sake of arguing.

To the thread starter - what did you think? That everyone would read your post and say, "hey - he's right. Let's all get on Firaxis to build the thread starter's game"?

To you other guys - you made your points. Why are you all still arguing? Is it one of those last word kind of things?

 

[armchairknight]

I can't take it anymore.

If you don't like the game, go out and take a C++ class, hire a bunch of graphics experts (or sprites if you hate graphics), and write your own game. Make it whatever you want. If you like Civ2 so much, buy the source code from Hasbro and add all of the things from SMAC that you liked.

We've got one guy who brings up decently thought out points about Civ2. Then he blows his credibility because he can't take people disagreeing with him. Then we've got a bunch of other people arguing just for the sake of arguing.

To the thread starter - what did you think? That everyone would read your post and say, "hey - he's right. Let's all get on Firaxis to build the thread starter's game"?

To you other guys - you made your points. Why are you all still arguing? Is it one of those last word kind of things?

Oh no, I'm not letting you have the last word. Oh no.

Actually, I'm just hanging out with other fans discussing interesting things for as long as they are interesting.

Why are you here?

 

[zeeter]

Oh no, I'm not letting you have the last word. Oh no.

Actually, I'm just hanging out with other fans discussing interesting things for as long as they are interesting.

Why are you here?

Because it's Sunday night and "Big Love" is on and I hate that show but for some reason I watch it, so I surf Civfanatics so that I can say it was just on in the background.

 

[armchairknight]

Order!! .....There will be order in this court

btw, thanks man, from a 'honarable' member such as yourself, this comes as quite a compliment

Same to you.

And, btw, I'm not so sure there'll be order....

 

[armchairknight]

Because it's Sunday night and "Big Love" is on and I hate that show but for some reason I watch it, so I surf Civfanatics so that I can say it was just on in the background.

I'm surfing because my wife is watching her shows, but I still want to be able to chat with her intermittantly....

Kinda similar....

Happy Lurking, zeeter!