ICNES II: A New Order

[The Farow]

Shush Icmancin we do not need any attention drawn to us .

 

[Icmancin]

I have to go the city in a few hours. I'll do stats when I get back.

Look, ThomAnder- I'm sorry if it isn't COMPLETELY historically accurate. What's done is done. Let's forget about it. It is, after all, just a game.

 

[Wubba360]

i get it now ice, i understand now, i just thought that spain garrisoned that island they took with their fleet so they may have been able to be contacted or something, makes sense to me now

 

[silver 2039]

Awesome update. Great quality. Though one wonders why Louis XVI was hanging out in Lyon. @Sheep wasn't the marriage this turn?

To Whom it may concern
From French Empire

The murder of my grandson will be ruthlessly hunted down like the dog he is. I will have the heads of his family on a silver platter. If I find that any foregin government is responsible for the murder of my grandson I will annihlate the country, salt its fields, and burn its capital to the ground. Let it be known those who aid and abet such actions are not safe. I will find you and you will pay dearly.


Rex Christianissimus Louis XV le Bien-Aimé de la France

To Sweden and Denmark-Norway
From French Empire

We feel that an alliance between our peoples would be most benefical

Rex Christianissimus Louis XV le Bien-Aimé de la France

To All it may concern
From French Empire

The lands of Sardinia, Piedmont, Parma, Milan, and Moderna are offically annexed into the French Empire. However they will retain semi-autonomy
Algeirs and Tunis are now colonies of the French Empire as soon will Tripoli be.

Lastly the lands of Western America are claimed in the name of the Crown of France.

Rex Christianissimus Louis XV le Bien-Aimé de la France

 

[Israelite9191]

@Thomander- Give it up. Please respond to my peace proposal, it would really be beneficial for both of us to sign a peace treaty. Also, in a couple turns I might put my war orders in the orders thread so you can see why I did so succesful. BTW, I didn't get as much as I planned for, so Icmancin did constrain me.

 

[silver 2039]

Shan-Dong Peninsula, the Yangtze Delta region, and the port of Xiamen

This part of the treaty is geographically ridicoulous. How do you propose to hold and adminster that area? You have no warm water ports and thus no Pacific Fleet.

 

[Israelite9191]

That's why I want warm-water ports, so I can build a Pacific fleet. And I do have Anchorage which is ice free most (or all, can't remember) of the year.

 

[Kentharu]

nice update

From Japan
To Spain

Peace?

ooc @thom- i knew the koreans were oppressed some how, so yea...

 

[Cuivienen]

To: Japan
From: Spain

Give us Okinawa, Shikoku, preferential trade status and a ten-turn NAP. Then we will have peace.

To: France
From: Spain

That is not for you to declare (regarding America). We would be willing to partition the area with France.

 

[bombshoo]

From: The Former Kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont
To: The Big Evil Frenchmen

We hope the royal family enjoyed our "going away present".

I suppose we were also correct in our earlier assumption of the prince not being able to attend his own wedding. How sad. I hope this makes your king realizes that his agressive stance in foreign affairs can in fact effect him personnally.

 

[Israelite9191]

To France and Spain
From the Empire of All the Russias

Her Imperial Majesty can not allow these proceedings of yours. Mother Russia has grave interests invested in the west of America, and we can not stand by while others threaten those interests.

 

[Cuivienen]

To: Russia
From: Spain

We would be willing to allow Russia into such negotiations, of course.

(OOC: Sorry, I forgot that you control some territory there now.)

 

[Kentharu]

From Japan
To Spain

Could we include a plan to modernize the Japanese Navy and army also?

 

[Cuivienen]

To: Japan
From: Spain

We would be willing to do this if the Japanese agree to all of our terms above.

 

[ThomAnder]

Of course i'm going to give up arguing, it's obviously not gonna get me anywhere As to the length of your orders, i don't give a crap about that either. Length of orders does not equal to amount of gains in a war. As for your peace treaty, do you honestly think i would even dignify that with a response? Especially to the one who broke an indefinite NAP AND the treaty of Nerchinsk?

Actually, one argument i won't drop is the evenks:

...In the 18th and 19th centuries the Evenks living there adopted the Yakut language. In the Baikal area the Evenks began to speak the Buryat and the Mongolian languages, and even converted to lamaism. The southern Evenk -- the Manegir, the Birar, the Solon -- were influenced by the Manchu, Daur and Chinese cultures. The arable lands in Siberia were occupied by Russian settlers, migrating there in the 17th century, and those Evenks, living in the vicinity on the upper reaches of the Lena and near Baikal, were russified. In the 19th century the Evenks appeared on the lower reaches of the Amur and Sakhalin, and, later, on the Chukchi Peninsula.

http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/evenks.shtml

Or you can go and give me sources that there is a SIZABLE population in outer manchuria at the period.

 

[Drake Rlugia]

Nice update. Uhm..some diplo or some such soon.

 

[Israelite9191]

@Thomander- We may have different definitions of Outer Manchuria (mine is probably wrong, as I am not China expert). I am refering to everything you controlled beyond the Amur and that other river. In any case, what treaty of Nerchinsk ? Also, I don't remember that NAP being made indefinate. If you can find where we agreed to make it indeffinate, then I will be willing to be more lenient in negotiations.

EDIT: And I am not talking about the length of my orders, but rather the thought and strategy put into them.

 

[ThomAnder]

I dunno, the first page said they were indefinite. They certainlny weren't 1 turn NAP anyway. It was 5 if i remember correctly. I think Icmancin's interpretation of outer manchuria is different than yours. I was referring to the region south of amur which has rebels, which ISN'T what you're referring to either... so ya.

 

[Cuivienen]

For the record, Outer Manchuria is the area of Manchuria outside of the borders of RL modern China (in Russia). In real history, China sold it to Russia at some point.

 

[ThomAnder]

It wasn't SOLD, it was "given" in an UNEQUAL treaty (in 1860 i believe)