If Evolution was proven to be a fact 100% would there still be creatonists?

[Xanikk999]

Im just wondering how sturdy peoples faith are. Ever hear of the word blind faith? Creation stories are evident in every religion but with the modern world science has explained many of these old mysteries.

I of course beileve in evolution 100% but i find the religious zeal of some people is so oblivious to science that even if certain crucial things were proven to not be the work of god they wouldnt beileve it.

So do you think there would still be a large amount of creatonists if evolution was proven to be a fact 100%?

Another thing il add is that some peoples faith is so strong that they will disbelieve anything that science has proven against religion. So i think that if evolution was proven to be a fact there would still be some creatonists.

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[El_Machinae]

How do you prove that something isn't the work of God?

 

[Xanikk999]

How do you prove that something isn't the work of God?

Its just a hypothetical question. If we already could prove 100% its not the work of god and evolution is a fact i wouldnt of posted the thread.

 

[pboily]

If the Christian God was proven to exist, would I become a Christian? No. Consequently, if Evolution was "proven", I expect some creationists to still not believe it, or rather, be affected by it.

 

[Irish Caesar]

If Evolution was proven to be a fact 100% would there still be creatonists?

Of course.

 

[carlosMM]

yes, there would be - I have heard people claim earth is 6,000 years old after doing a 2 month lab course on radioactive dating methods.

human stupidity is infinite, while the universe may not be. So, you can bring any proof you want, some moron will still believe things are different.

 

[Riesstiu IV]

There will always be people who are too stubborn to stop affiliating or researching in discredited views. Heck, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find a phrenologist.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm sure that if the Christian God were proven to exist, I would convert, because then all the problems associated with Christianity would make sense.

 

[El_Machinae]

yes, there would be - I have heard people claim earth is 6,000 years old after doing a 2 month lab course on radioactive dating methods.

Did you bias your marking based on discrimination ... ?

 

[Bluemofia]

Of course there would still be Creationists. They would just say that the results were skewed.

EX:
The Mormons who's main tennant belief is that the Native Americans came from a lost tribe of Israel, and then turned against God, and became darker as a result.

They support DNA tests to prove their beilefs, but all DNA tests so far show no Jewish DNA in the Native Americans, but the Mormons say that the data was manipulated, and continue to uphold their beilefs.

If I remember correctly.

 

[Mr. Do]

Oh, definitely- human stupidity goes hand in hand with stubborn-ness. I think some of the Flat-Earthers out there really believe in it, after all.

But the vast majority would, I'm sure, come to their senses and accept the validity of evolution. Ironically, only those Christians who are the most insecure in their faith will be unable to come to terms with the concept that the Bible is not a scientific document, and will continue to bury their heads in the sands and ignore the evidence. The most intelligent, rational and faithful Christians are those who can read the Bible, say that natural selection and evolution drove the development of our world's creatures and still believe in their hearts that this was because God wanted it.

 

[pboily]

I'm sure that if the Christian God were proven to exist, I would convert, because then all the problems associated with Christianity would make sense.

I'm arguing from the position that since I would not, I could expect at least one Creationist to not convert to Evolutionarism.

 

[Masquerouge]

If you're capable at looking at a science book and dismissing it in favour of a fairy tale found in a religious book, then no amount of hard proof is going to make you change your views.

 

[El_Machinae]

You're not answering the OP with a proper reverse analogy. See, I'd kill you. Then there wouldn't be any non-Christians. So, if God was proven to be true, there would only be Christians ... left.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Of course there would still be Creationists. They would just say that the results were skewed.

EX:
The Mormons who's main tennant belief is that the Native Americans came from a lost tribe of Israel, and then turned against God, and became darker as a result.

They support DNA tests to prove their beilefs, but all DNA tests so far show no Jewish DNA in the Native Americans, but the Mormons say that the data was manipulated, and continue to uphold their beilefs.

If I remember correctly.

Not to rehash old arguments, but that is a huge oversimplification of LDS beliefs. What many Mormons (myself included) think is that a small group of Israelites (not of the Lost Tribes, by the way) mixed with pre-existing native peoples and that their descendants are among the native people of America. The data is probably fine (I don't know, I haven't seen it) but since the assumption that they were making about our doctrine is flawed, there is no reason for me to abandon my beliefs.

Also, that's not our main belief. Our main belief is that Jesus is the Christ.

 

[Mr. Do]

I'm arguing from the position that since I would not, I could expect at least one Creationist to not convert to Evolutionarism.

But you're comparing apples and oranges really. The real comparison is, if there were evidence that the Earth were 6000 years old, and that species bear no common ancestor, would you believe that evidence? The answer, quite clearly, is yes, as if that were the case, we scientists would have already uncovered it, and would not be pushing evolution in the first place!

Alternatively, you could compare it with the idea that is the Christian God were proved 100%, would you beleive he existed? You might not become a Christian, but I would hope that you would be able to accept his existence if it were staring you and the rest of the world in the face. How would you deny it? Group hallucination? Aliens?

I think the only people who would refuse to accept the existence of the Christian God would be those who do not WANT him to exist- i.e. people who have other faiths.

 

[Xanikk999]

Not to rehash old arguments, but that is a huge oversimplification of LDS beliefs. What many Mormons (myself included) think is that a small group of Israelites (not of the Lost Tribes, by the way) mixed with pre-existing native peoples and that their descendants are among the native people of America. The data is probably fine (I don't know, I haven't seen it) but since the assumption that they were making about our doctrine is flawed, there is no reason for me to abandon my beliefs.

Also, that's not our main belief. Our main belief is that Jesus is the Christ.

What compels you to beileve in such nonsense with no evidence what so ever?

How in the world would the israelites come from isreal to north america. The ships at the time couldnt even go over the ocean. Not to mention theres no record of this anywhere.

 

[carlosMM]

What compels you to beileve in such nonsense with no evidence what so ever?

How in the world would the israelites come from isreal to north america. The ships at the time couldnt even go over the ocean. Not to mention theres no record of this anywhere.

God did it!
It's in the bible

well, sort of....







@eran: sorry, but this claim is too good an assist - I HAVE to score

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

What compels you to beileve in such nonsense with no evidence what so ever?

How in the world would the israelites come from isreal to north america. The ships at the time couldnt even go over the ocean. Not to mention theres no record of this anywhere.

Sure there's a record. It's the Book of Mormon.

Aah, you say, but I don't accept it. Yes, fair enough. But I do believe it, not on its scientific or historical merits but because I prayed to God specifically about its veracity, and I received what I am convinced is a positive answer. There wouldn't be a lot of evidence otherwise - how much evidence do we have of any ship voyage or small-scale population movement that took place in 600BCE? Only some that left records or evidence, but not all.

Also, they built a seaworthy ship because God gave them the design.

But, yeah, I think that with all the evidence for evolution that exists, it probably isn't going to get any better than it is now. ANd yet there are people now who don't accept it.

 

[Xanikk999]

Sure there's a record. It's the Book of Mormon.

Aah, you say, but I don't accept it. Yes, fair enough. But I do believe it, not on its scientific or historical merits but because I prayed to God specifically about its veracity, and I received what I am convinced is a positive answer. There wouldn't be a lot of evidence otherwise - how much evidence do we have of any ship voyage or small-scale population movement that took place in 600BCE? Only some that left records or evidence, but not all.

Also, they built a seaworthy ship because God gave them the design.

But, yeah, I think that with all the evidence for evolution that exists, it probably isn't going to get any better than it is now. ANd yet there are people now who don't accept it.

The isrealites had enough problems on thier hand at that time. What would compel them to come to north america when they never even knew it existed or heard of its location.

And the book of the mormons is a phony piece of biased crap. Its like using the bible as a source to prove creatonism.