If we go to war, Are you going to enlist?

Well if it is going to be war then I'll re-enlist - I'm not yet old enough for them to reject me and I haven't done anything that will qualify my as "damaged" goods - except drink a lot.

The only problem is that if I re-enlist then I won't get sent anywhere except officers school and that isn't where I want to go.....

Give me and good rifel and some guilty targets and I'll show them......

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As for the question of already enlisting, I already am enlisted.

I doubt that we are going to need anymore than we already have, but I am positive that the Armed Services are more than happy to let you in.

As for Erik, I am pretty certain that there will be no draft, and Canada is not the place you want to spend the winter anyway. Your desire to leave is unfortunate, but your decision is the one you would have to live with for the rest of your life. I have no ill will towards you, but the fact that you are even afforded the opportunity has been paid for by the blood of your forefathers, and the hard work and sweat of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines everywhere.<br />When you step across the border, think of the people who are doing their share.

For all of the overreacting going on in the civilian population, realize that the finest Armed Forces in the history of mankind is defending you. We will not fail in our mission, whatever it might be. We rule the oceans, the skies, and any piece of dirt of our choosing. Our response to this attack will be precise and devastating.

But at this time we have no enemy, no targets, and no orders.

I don't know if we need a couple of crusty old dinosaurs <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> in the "New Army", but I would be glad to take you along for whatever ride we are getting on. Too bad there is no room for y'all, but I am sure that there is always something that someone can do in support.
 
ERIKtheRED - In Israel people like you are considered the worst scums there are. In here 80% of the people turned 18 are going to the army, and thats in peace times. The US gave you education, protection, rights, built roads to where you live. The goverment considered you as a citizen, something that millions of refugees around the world can only dream about. And when this country wants you to pay back a little? Oh, no, you're too scared, so you escape to Canada.<br />I say, f*ck you, no country wants or needs people like you. let ERIKtheRED out, and some Mexican refugee in. Maybe the Mexican will be able to apriciate what the US gives to it's citizens.

PS<br />In Israel there's this new program that allowes people of all ages to volunteer to the army. The commander is a 70 years old senior citizen. But all the people there have to be able to run, jump, hide and shoot like all other soldiers.

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Can you guys please stop throwing rocks at each other? Please give us a break.

Originally posted by Rangers, Lead the Way:<br /><strong>It is that attitude that bin Laden expected, and holds in contempt, as we do. It is the decadence, comfort, and weakness of the west, which he despises.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. It is the superficiality of our world which has enabled this to happen. Our detachment from the world. Here we are playing games, watching films, living in gross luxury and indifference. This will never be the same. This is a wake up call, and it'll change our lives.

At one point in my life I tried to join the army, after serving in the emergency/fire dept. But although I passed all the tests, they didn't want me!! I guess the army in my country didn't think I'd fit in, questioning my motives etc.

And I guess they were right. If I were to fight, I wouldn't hesitate to do so, but I'd be fighting much more for myself, than for my country and government. So my loyalty wouldn't be unquestioned. I guess that's dangerous. And thats why I'd be too dangerous to have in the army. I just wouldn't give a damn.

Best of all to those of you who go.
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Your army didn't let you join because they weren't sure what your motives are? Thats very rare in Israel. But I guess denmark can afford this, as you don't have any major threats.
 
Well, I guess so.

There's really no "enlistment" here, besides the conscript, where you can choose to be in the army/navy, the emergency/fire dept. or in a non-military service. I served with the fire dept. and really had a good time there, despite being a young confused guy at the time. But I feel with those firefighters who died on tuesday. I have the same training, but experienced only few ermergency calls in my time.

What you can do, however, is to apply for service in the army and the "brigade", to go to Yougoslavia (at the time) and other places on "peacekeeping" missions. And that's what I did. There were many applying, more than they needed at the time. I think they prefer younger people. (I'm just 28, but that's probably too old already). They might be mistaken there, because what older people have, is experience and backbone, which young people don't always have.

I heard that in Israel, even women are required to enlist? That would be unthinkable here. Even if a few women still insist on their right to do so. Those who do, do it primarily to become officers, and they are but one or two women out of hundreds of men.
 
Yes, in Israel women are required to enlist to. But they only serve for 2 years (men serve 3) and can choose if they want to be soldiers, nurses, teachers of Na'ale youth (teenagers that go to Israel without their families) or some other charity works. This doesn't apply to married women or for those who are pregnant/have a child. Women also don't have to be in the army reserve. Today we have women as ground troops, captains of war ships, pilots, etc..
 
First a MOD note:<br />Rangers, Lead the Way, watch your language or you may see a vacation in your future. We don't talk like that to others....EVEN if we don't agree!!!

And a personal note:<br />I'll be on the next plane back to Canada, but you can't forget <font size="+3">I'M CANADIAN</font>.

However, I'm currently signed up for the Draft. Had to, to keep my citizenship, and if Afghans invade the US then I would probably defend the country (Even though it's not my native land), but no way in hell are they shipping me off to fight in a foreign country, over a terriost ACT!!!

If Canada was doing the same thing??? I still don't think I'd go. I'd rather go to jail. BUT I WOULD DEFEND. I just want to make that clear. Of course "...if war broke out between Canada and the US, it would be my duty to kill as many Americans as I can....and that wouldn't bother me at all", William Shatner. (That's a joke, so don't take it the wrong way....please.)
 
I, too, have served my time, and am too old to come back. However, I know that Fox and Ranger have our backs. The minute you receive your orders I know that you will execute them with precision and determination. When the time comes you will have the support of millions....Good Luck and Godspeed.
 
from ERIKtheRED:

I do not believe any more people should die. I am not confident I would escape the military in this war-mad country, and my loyalty to America is not as strong as my belief that it is amoral to kill.<br /><hr></blockquote>

There's nothing wrong with being a pacifist.

I'm touched by your politeness. <hr></blockquote>

I was not.These people are bashing you and in my oppinion they have no reason for that.Nobody has ever a reason for that.

Mahatma Gandi was a pacifist too.And he got the English out withought fighting.Now he serve's as an example for the rest of the world.

I still think we have to fight these terrorists.<br />But i won't enlist to.Why? <br />1 They have enough troops withought me<br />2 I'm a pacifist to<br />3 I'm scared of war ,a chickensh1t like most people would call me ,and i'm not ashamed for that.We will have to send in ground troops in Afhanistan.There will be a lot more casualties than in wars like the gulf or Serbia.

I live in Ypres in Belgium. 4 years long it was the fighting center of WWI.Now we have in a radius of 10Km around my house about a 1000 war graveyards.I live near Menen gate.10000's of people have died to defend the spot where my house stands on.It is utterly madness.<br />i live between war monuments ,so don't ask me why i'm a pacifist.
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...thought better of it...

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Originally posted by kittenOFchaos:<br /><strong>...thought better of it...

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<img src="graemlins/cry.gif" border="0" alt="[Cry]" />

<img src="graemlins/snipersmilie.gif" border="0" alt="[Sniper]" /> <img src="graemlins/goodwork.gif" border="0" alt="[Good Job]" /> ?

I would work for the war industrie though.It' a contribution too.

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I was in USAF - Military Intel, of all things - in late 80's/early 90's.

Sadly, too old (35 yesar) and too out-of-shape. I work for the Infectious Disease unit at my state's Health Department, and some of my civilian buddies who work for the US military are telling me there is a bounty out for people to work on Bioterrorist issues right now.

So I can't enlist, but I am seriously considering a job change.

BTW - IMHO, it is ridisulous to compare this situation to VietNam - *I* might have run to Canada during VietNam (of course, I was 8 years old at the time, so it was not a point) The distinctions between this situation and Vietnam are so numerous, I can't believe anybody would be dumb enough to try and make a comparison.

But I would not enlist for revenge. I urge all the good, brave people posting here who are able and willing to join the military to *please* work it out inside yourselves, first. Defending your country, and lives of others, is the 'nobility' of a soldier. Revenge leads to stupid actions that threaten the safety of those you are sworn to defend. It's hard to be objective now. Sit down, get in touch with your faith or spirituality (*none* of which condone blind revenge killing) and get your head straight. I think this will be echoed by any poster here with actual military exeperience, especially those who have seen combat.

That type of preparation is probably even more important than being physically prepared, if we are ever to truly end this madness.

Ashoka
 
Originally posted by CornMaster:<br /><strong><br />if Afghans invade the US then I would probably defend the country (Even though it's not my native land), but no way in hell are they shipping me off to fight in a foreign country, over a terriost ACT!!!

If Canada was doing the same thing??? I still don't think I'd go. I'd rather go to jail. BUT I WOULD DEFEND. I just want to make that clear. Of course "...if war broke out between Canada and the US, it would be my duty to kill as many Americans as I can....and that wouldn't bother me at all", William Shatner. (That's a joke, so don't take it the wrong way....please.)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Defending a nation isn't always on that nation's ground. In 1967 Syria, Jordan and Egypt moved their forces to their border with Israel, after making the UN troops leave the area. Israel was unable to function as a country as almost all men were at the front ready to defend the country the way you said - only in our own ground. Eventually we understood that if we stay the way things are, our country will soon collapse (the size of the army including the enlists was 1.5 millions people, with a population of 5 millions people. About the same as the US supporting an army of 75 million men) and if we would cancel the enlistment the other nations would invade and "throw all Israelies to the sea". So we had to attack - out of self defence.<br />The same for the Americans. The US must attack Afghanistan. A country can't defend itself against terrorists that has started their mission as well as it can crush them at their home base.<br />The US goverment has a commitment to defend it's citizens, and if they can't do it from the US they'll have to do it in other parts of the world
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i doubt Canada will really get seriously involved, and besides, i'm only 14, what the hell am i gonna do? and fu*k all of you who think Canada is just a cold baren place you fu*kers
 
I don't think anyone will get sriously involved, except for the US, the country that the attack will start from (Pakistan?) and maybe the UK.
 
Well i've registered for the draft. And if its necessary w/o a draft i'll enlist.
 
Originally posted by Cunobelin Of Hippo:<br /><strong>What do we have in the first place? Derelict ships, antique fighters....I doubt we'll do much more than provide the odd batallion of ground troops, if that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought I posted this already but here it goes:<br />We have roughly 2-1960'ish Deisel Subs, maybe 3-5 destroyers, 8000 peacekeepers, and some pointy sticks. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> .

Of course.....don't count that as accruate....but I'm not far off. Oh yeah...we also built an anti-US dome. It is to be used when war breaks out between Canada and the US. A large dome comes out of the ground and surrounds the country. Protecting us from everyone. Of course...in a pinch we can use it against other enemies too. Ok, questions??

--- <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> ---: But they can just smash through.<br />--- Me ---: It's breakproof. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <br />--- <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Smoke]" /> ---: Won't you suffocate in there?<br />--- Me ---: *Nerviously* Ah......no more questions...
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