Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[Mathalamus]

Roman Military expands.

Emperor Andreas laskaris has ordered the Roman Army to be increased from 300,000 to 750,000 soliders. we are at war against a fanatical and possibly insane nation of Japan. we can expect heavy resistance from them.

he has expanded his Navy as well, ordering the construction of an additional Aircraft Carrier Justinian. she will be identical to the Constantinople, except powered by Thorium, not Uranium.

 

[christos200]

Beg your pardon, sir? The UN forces have achieved a tactical victory in retrieving a nuclear stockpile before the Japanese could locate it, and a key victory in retrieving Ho Chi Minh City, which was the UN logistic centre and HQ.

It is certainly true that naval losses have been unexpectedly high, but air superiority should allow the UN to keep the Ho Chi Minh City area free of enemy craft, whether naval or aerial.

Taking one single province and losing the naval war is not a great victory, considering how much you outnumber Japan. It is like the Persians claiming victory after the battle of Salamis, because of defeating the Greek land forces at Thermopylae. If you were able to defeat my naval forces and take the whole of Vietnam, then you could say that you have gained a decent victory.

 

[christos200]

From: Japan
To: Indonesia

We will be interested in buying the Ambalat System.

 

[Ailedhoo]

The Platonic Republic are also interested in acquiring this system. The Protective Caste needs more tools to live up to its duty defined by its name. If possible the Productive Caste can be set to take note of the robotics in Indonesia, for we can always do with more ways to improve the Republic.

Anyway; we are extending that energy pact offer we offered you to now include industrial co-operation. We are also interested in improved trade; as you may be aware the Greek plate industry is... very productive for the high demands in Greece. You may also enjoy other joys like the eventual improvement in mechanics as we continue to develop rover technology for military applications; the Augustus Assault Rover may be set for both the Platonics and Romans as their set technology but it will find the lessons from the engines etch to come forth into the civilian realm. Our automobile industries could both benefit, the both emphasis for our trade with you. We want in return is the robotics to make the Productive Caste's purpose more grander.

Consider well; show us your pragmatism by taking up the offer of reason we give you.

 

[WhiteRobber]

From: Gangnam Republic
To: Indonesia

We also offer to buy the Ambalat System. Offering 25% more than the Japanese. Will offer you military aid after the war if you don't give it to Japan.

 

[Ailedhoo]

From: Gangnam Republic
To: Indonesia

We also offer to buy the Ambalat System. Offering 25% more than the Japanese. Will offer you military aid after the war if you don't give it to Japan.

Will Korea/Gangnam be willing to co-operate in this sale with the Platonic Republic? We purchase the system together; that way we can both use its design to enhance our war machines.

We set each to pay half the deal price; combining our income while also making it worthy for both and opening the beginning of a series of military research and trade pacts between the Greeks and the Koreans.

 

[WhiteRobber]

Will Korea/Gangnam be willing to co-operate in this sale with the Platonic Republic? We purchase the system together; that way we can both use its design to enhance our war machines.

We set each to pay half the deal price; combining our income while also making it worthy for both and opening the beginning of a series of military research and trade pacts between the Greeks and the Koreans.

Sounds good. But , just in case, i'm still paying full price. I don't want troubles.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Sounds good. But , just in case, i'm still paying full price. I don't want troubles.

We will set half the price to you to help you, so we can be paying half in spirit.

 

[JohannaK]

Vestproof unveiled

The anti-ship Vestproof missile displayed by the sea during its presentation

The Malaccan Navy has developed and tested a new series of projectiles based on late 20th Century anti-armour concepts. These will go under the name Vestproof, and will be will be several differently purposed projectiles, essentially sea-to-sea missiles and torpedoes, developed around the same warhead. This revolutionary warhead contains three submunitions, henceforth referred to as "stages". These submunitions are perfectly aligned to maximise the damage done to the hull. The first two "stages" are HEAT warheads, designed to pierce through the thickest hulls or double hulls, while the final stage is simply a small "bunker buster" HE, designed to maximise structural damage. The first stage is triggered by a piezoelectric device which detonates a primary explosive, which jettisons the bronze conical shaped charge against the hull. The energy of the first explosion triggers the secondary explosive of the second stage, which jettisons its own charge against the double hull or whatever lies in front of it. The last stage is a thermobaric charge is encased in a gear-shaped grid that direct the explosive force to the sides rather than to the front, so to widen the breach.

Obsolete Malaccan ordnance includes this simple HEAT round.

The missile version has been already developed in a fire-and-forget configuration based off IR identification and GPS guidance systems, and has already been issued to the missile boats en route to Vietnam to relieve most of the current squad present with UNVIFOR, which has sustained heavy damage after extensively taking part in most naval engagements. The torpedo version has just moved on to testing, but a dozen of these have been issued to the FSS Arrow, a recently commissioned submarine which will be sent with the new missile boats to Vietnam. Future versions included remote guidance or radar signal tracking fire-and-forget systems. Future projects include cruise missiles with an initial HEAT stage and the development of reduced HEAT ordnance for the development of lighter anti-armour armament.

The FSS Arrow, surfacing after open sea tests.

 

[Civ'ed]

From: The South African Federation members
To: Malacca

We would be interested in buying some of your older ordinance off you if you no longer need it.

 

[JohannaK]

We do have a stockpile of 72 now-obsolete anti-ship missiles. They were the equipment of the six missile boats recently equipped with the Vestproof. We would sell the whole of it for 7 million MLP (Malaccan Pounds), but your ships should pick it up here.

We also have a couple hundred old HEAT projectiles which are being replaced by new generation anti-armour munition. Ten million for the whole pack.

 

[Reus]

Anyway; we are extending that energy pact offer we offered you to now include industrial co-operation. We are also interested in improved trade; as you may be aware the Greek plate industry is... very productive for the high demands in Greece. You may also enjoy other joys like the eventual improvement in mechanics as we continue to develop rover technology for military applications; the Augustus Assault Rover may be set for both the Platonics and Romans as their set technology but it will find the lessons from the engines etch to come forth into the civilian realm. Our automobile industries could both benefit, the both emphasis for our trade with you. We want in return is the robotics to make the Productive Caste's purpose more grander.

Consider well; show us your pragmatism by taking up the offer of reason we give you.

From: Indonesia
To : The Platonic Republic

Indonesia would be willing to cooperate with the Platonic Republic in a condition that the Platonic Republic allows Indonesia to cooperatively resolve the issue of the People's Militia along with UAR and Rome, under the flag of the soon-to-be-established United Nations Anti-Terrorism Coalition.

The Malaccan government expresses interest in Indonesia's land-to-sea missile, but would at the same time like to express doubts that it is cost-effective for the elimination of enemy vessels other than supercarriers. Malacca would, however, be interested in a joint venture to develop lighter, cheaper, ship-to-ship missiles.

From: Japan
To: Indonesia
We will be interested in buying the Ambalat System.

From: Gangnam Republic
To: Indonesia

We also offer to buy the Ambalat System. Offering 25% more than the Japanese. Will offer you military aid after the war if you don't give it to Japan.

The Platonic Republic are also interested in acquiring this system. The Protective Caste needs more tools to live up to its duty defined by its name. If possible the Productive Caste can be set to take note of the robotics in Indonesia, for we can always do with more ways to improve the Republic.

From: Indonesia
To: Platonic Rep; Gangnam; Japan; Malacca

The government of the Republic of Indonesia is pleased that many have shown interest in our latest defensive systems; however, we must kindly refuse all offers made by other nations to acquire this technology before the war ends, that goes for both belligerent nations and non-participants. This decision is undertaken based on the neutrality policy that Indonesia adopts, and Indonesia's desire not to disturb the balance of power in this war.

Regarding Malacca's question whether this would be economically more feasible compared to the constructing naval vessels, the answer is debatable, as the two serves different purposes, the Ambalat Missile System is a one-time-use defense mechanism, the costs of establishing the control stations and silos could be as expensive as creating a Supercarrier, but constructing the missiles and maintaining the system would not be as costly as maintaining a naval vessel. While naval vessels are capable of being used for a long time, and for many purposes but maintaining them are costly. The main superiority of the Ambalat System is that establishing them does not take a long time like building a navy does, and in this unexpected turn of event, the Republic of Indonesia is pressed to set-up an effective defense system against an enemy naval force in a fast period of time.

Additionally, Indonesia accepts Malacca's offer of jointly developing better military equipment.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

The so-called Ambalat System is too expensive, unfeasible, and too intrusive in international satellite affairs to be considered viable by any means.

 

[Mathalamus]

The so-called Ambalat System is too expensive, unfeasible, and too intrusive in international satellite affairs to be considered viable by any means.

we dont have any satellites in orbit.

 

[GenMarshall]

The Kalmar Kingdom expands.

 

[Ailedhoo]

From: Indonesia
To : The Platonic Republic

Indonesia would be willing to cooperate with the Platonic Republic in a condition that the Platonic Republic allows Indonesia to cooperatively resolve the issue of the People's Militia along with UAR and Rome, under the flag of the soon-to-be-established United Nations Anti-Terrorism Coalition.

To Indonesia

While we would... admire efforts to remove the People's Militia and would set UNACTO to help hinder the People's Militia's international standing we are... concerned of the agenda you have set. Any operation against the People's Militia has to account that the Militia is focused on us as a prime target. Hence the Cerberus Pack, our special anti-terror/commando unit, will need to have prime directive. UNACTO will have to set in respect of Cerberus's operations, as well as the penalties we plan for the terrorists. Although a domestic concern the revolutionary rhetoric of the People's Militia could upgrade it into having multiple targets, including the "imperialist" powers which they would include our ally Rome under.

What ever the case the energy deal and other co-operations we have to be with Indonesia are separate from the People's Militia concerns. Security issues are security issues, while our co-operations in areas like industry would benefit mechanism to counter terrorism like making the Productive Caste have better tools in their work so that they may feel less inclined to heed the lies of terror. Hence the economic deals are separate from the People's Militia issue.

Finally; your defense system has us interested. As you may have studied from our tactics in Thessaloniki we are fans of rocket artillery, ever the means to hinder your nemesis before setting yourself into the field of fire. We would be interested to extent our military research to the field of improving our missile technologies, especially with our ordering of missile ships from the United States. Furthermore it would also seek to make rockets cheaper. Note this will have a civilian function too; once things have gotten... more stable we of the Platonics would be interested in seeing efforts for humanity to return to space operations, especially in satellite technology that will be needed for surveillance and communications. Our efforts could make space rocketry, along with war rockets, more affordable.

May justice guide us to Plato's path.

The Platonic Republic

PS: the Platonic Republic is willing to sent one of its Philosopher Council members to one of your universities to give a lecture on Plato and the Republic as part of a relations improvement scheme. We will of course arrange for Protective Caste bodyguards but overall a lecture should go smoothly...

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

we dont have any satellites in orbit.

Regardless, the remaining points still stand. The Ambalat System is not in any way superior or more efficient than traditional anti-naval warfare.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Regardless, the remaining points still stand. The Ambalat System is not in any way superior or more efficient than traditional anti-naval warfare.

We concur; hence why we invest in submarines and why we also order missile ships from the USA for long range anti-navy fleets, as well as providing counter aerial warfare.

Also; always invest in rocket artillery!

Platonic "firework display." ​

 

[Reus]

To Indonesia
While we would... admire efforts to remove the People's Militia and would set UNACTO to help hinder the People's Militia's international standing we are... concerned of the agenda you have set. Any operation against the People's Militia has to account that the Militia is focused on us as a prime target. Hence the Cerberus Pack, our special anti-terror/commando unit, will need to have prime directive. UNACTO will have to set in respect of Cerberus's operations, as well as the penalties we plan for the terrorists. Although a domestic concern the revolutionary rhetoric of the People's Militia could upgrade it into having multiple targets, including the "imperialist" powers which they would include our ally Rome under.

What ever the case the energy deal and other co-operations we have to be with Indonesia are separate from the People's Militia concerns. Security issues are security issues, while our co-operations in areas like industry would benefit mechanism to counter terrorism like making the Productive Caste have better tools in their work so that they may feel less inclined to heed the lies of terror. Hence the economic deals are separate from the People's Militia issue.

Indonesia still feels that we cannot let any of our cooperation with the Platonic Republic become a method that they use to conduct an action against our will. That is the reason we ask the right to have a say regarding the issue in Libya. A cooperation would only be possible if the Platonic Republic is also willing to cooperate with us resolving the issue in Libya.........diplomatically.

Finally; your defense system has us interested. As you may have studied from our tactics in Thessaloniki we are fans of rocket artillery, ever the means to hinder your nemesis before setting yourself into the field of fire. We would be interested to extent our military research to the field of improving our missile technologies, especially with our ordering of missile ships from the United States. Furthermore it would also seek to make rockets cheaper. Note this will have a civilian function too; once things have gotten... more stable we of the Platonics would be interested in seeing efforts for humanity to return to space operations, especially in satellite technology that will be needed for surveillance and communications. Our efforts could make space rocketry, along with war rockets, more affordable.

May justice guide us to Plato's path.

The Platonic Republic

Until the issue in Libya is resolved, Indonesia would not be inclined to accept any weapons cooperation with the Platonic Republic. But regarding cooperation of Aeronautical and Aerospace research and development for civil purposes, Indonesia agrees, again, under the condition that Indonesia may cooperatively resolve the issue in Libya.

PS: the Platonic Republic is willing to sent one of its Philosopher Council members to one of your universities to give a lecture on Plato and the Republic as part of a relations improvement scheme. We will of course arrange for Protective Caste bodyguards but overall a lecture should go smoothly...

With the current Indonesian viewpoint to the Platonic Republic, that would be suicidal. Please refer to this issue in another, better time.

The so-called Ambalat System is too expensive, unfeasible, and too intrusive in international satellite affairs to be considered viable by any means.

Regardless, the remaining points still stand. The Ambalat System is not in any way superior or more efficient than traditional anti-naval warfare.

We are happy that you are willing to give us input, this would mean that we could develop a better system that suits our needs and does the goal we intended. However, more details regarding your concerns of why it is unfeasible and would be expensive is required. Considering that the Sichuan have a weapons development program, we also would like to offer Sichuan a Weapon's Research&Development cooperation treaty.
(Please say so in our Embassy instead.)

 

[Mathalamus]

A cooperation would only be possible if the Platonic Republic is also willing to cooperate with us resolving the issue in Libya.........diplomatically.

Until the issue in Libya is resolved, Indonesia would not be inclined to accept any weapons cooperation with the Platonic Republic. But regarding cooperation of Aeronautical and Aerospace research and development for civil purposes, Indonesia agrees, again, under the condition that Indonesia may cooperatively resolve the issue in Libya.

Why is the Libya thing so important to you? the peoples militia aren't even a threat to Rome, much less Indonesia.