Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[Ailedhoo]

Rome might be our ancestral city, but even the original ERE gave up claims to it, when it became clear that Rome is just plain terrible. POS means piece of... you know. its a pile of ruins, most likely of no importance anymore. i think even the papacy moved elsewhere.

we dont need to do any island hopping. if we are the start any colonies, we would start in Brazil...

So in other words your Turkey, not Rome?

Rome was not as it was after you left it; since its adoption by the Papal States and as the capital of Italy it retained a wonder.

Still: strange you do not want to reclaim it for the glory of your empire. Have you lost symbolism? Are you Rome or Turkey? Answer well for the city is still a wonder and your failure to claim it puts to question your worthiness to be called Roman. The Eastern Romans did at time attempt to reclaim the city under Justinian, although success admitting did not last long. Still this... insult to your capital city which is still a wonder after "Rome left" clear shows who you are: not Roman, for a true Roman Empire would have conquered the Moon to get Rome back if it need be. We are generous in our offer and your failure to honour Rome... questions.

Be a strong leader; accept our offer of getting your capital back plus a isle for your efforts to help as a staging base for Brazil for need be in return for land the Greeks had asked for and wanted you to not claim.

In the end we desire Thessaloniki. If you do not desire Rome then we can always claim a part of Georgia for you instead since you do not like to be of Rome... as clearly shown by you calling yourself Roman...

 

[Mathalamus]

So in other words your Turkey, not Rome?

Rome was not as it was after you left it; since its adoption by the Papal States and as the capital of Italy it retained a wonder.

Still: strange you do not want to reclaim it for the glory of your empire. Have you lost symbolism? Are you Rome or Turkey? Answer well for the city is still a wonder and your failure to claim it puts to question your worthiness to be called Roman. The Eastern Romans did at time attempt to reclaim the city under Justinian, although success admitting did not last long. Still this... insult to your capital city which is still a wonder after "Rome left" clear shows who you are: not Roman, for a true Roman Empire would have conquered the Moon to get Rome back if it need be. We are generous in our offer and your failure to honour Rome... questions.

In the end we desire Thessaloniki. If you do not desire Rome then we can always claim a part of Georgia for you instead since you do not like to be of Rome... as clearly shown by you calling yourself Roman...

you insult us by showing your complete lack of knowledge regarding Roman History. i expected better of intellectual Greeks. Rome. isnt. THAT. important. Constantinople is our Rome, Constantinople is our identity. compared to Constantinople, Rome is like a village.

we do not desire Rome. it is, simply put, a relic of the ancient past we would like to forget and move on from.

might i remind you that the Holy Roman Empire also doesn't have Rome? notice that we did not object *whatsoever* to them being the Holy Roman Empire? you should do the same.

OOC: Alied, did you forget all about the Byzantine Empire? they had Rome at one point, yeah, but didn't move the capital there, for obvious reasons.

 

[Ailedhoo]

you insult us by showing your complete lack of knowledge regarding Roman History. i expected better of intellectual Greeks. Rome. isnt. THAT. important. Constantinople is our Rome, Constantinople is our identity. compared to Constantinople, Rome is like a village.

we do not desire Rome. it is, simply put, a relic of the ancient past we would like to forget and move on from.

might i remind you that the Holy Roman Empire also doesn't have Rome? notice that we did not object *whatsoever* to them being the Holy Roman Empire? you should do the same.

OOC: Alied, did you forget all about the Byzantine Empire? they had Rome at one point, yeah, but didn't move the capital there, for obvious reasons.

So in other words you are no warrant to called Roman?

Would Turk be better then? You already have Istanbul (Byzantine as it was called back in the classical days) as your capital.

The fact you are presuming us ignorant is laughable. The pact you are insulting your past yet are a empire which proclaims the glories of the past is ever amusing. Are you that arrogant to presume us dense because we do not admire your "I take this but not this bit" when it comes to identity? If you want not to have Rome go ahead but do not expect to call yourself the Roman Empire and be insulted when you announce you have no intent to claiming that which the Eastern Roman Empire (which you are not) were denied only by the random cruelties of history.

As for the Holy Roman Empire; the whole "neither holy, Roman or Empire" is a old joke for what may as well be a German confederation. Even then there was the history over the "was the Pope or the Kaiser the more powerful?" debates. But what ever case the Eastern Roman Empire proclaimed themselves as the continuation of the Roman Empire. You are obviously not that empire, for the Roman Empire died when the Ottoman Empire took Byzantine/Constantinople and renamed it Istanbul, setting Moscow as the "third Rome."

Constantinople is not your identity; it is a city claimed by us Greek and Turks.

Anyway: the Eastern Roman Empire was a decaying carcass of then already dead Roman Empire. The only glories you bring is to further expose the decayed skeleton.

The Romans are no more and you are currently occupying a part of Greece.

OOC: do not presume I do not know the Eastern Roman Empire, boy. The fact you called it Byzantine (a label by Victorians) is considering as the Eastern Roman Empire called itself the Eastern Roman Empire. Still I would find it worthy that your character would not want the prestige of being "the Liberator of Rome."

 

[W|M]

The Roman empire lives and is no carcass: it is a country populated by Romans, ruled by Romans, and loved by Romans

 

[Ailedhoo]

The Roman empire lives and is no carcass: it is a country populated by Romans, ruled by Romans, and loved by Romans

The Turks must enjoy being marginalised.

 

[Mathalamus]

So in other words you are no warrant to called Roman?

Would Turk be better then? You already have Istanbul (Byzantine as it was called back in the classical days) as your capital.

The fact you are presuming us ignorant is laughable. The pact you are insulting your past yet are a empire which proclaims the glories of the past is ever amusing. Are you that arrogant to presume us dense because we do not admire your "I take this but not this bit" when it comes to identity? If you want not to have Rome go ahead but do not expect to call yourself the Roman Empire and be insulted when you announce you have no intent to claiming that which the Eastern Roman Empire (which you are not) were denied only by the random cruelties of history.

As for the Holy Roman Empire; the whole "neither holy, Roman or Empire" is a old joke for what may as well be a German confederation. Even then there was the history over the "was the Pope or the Kaiser the more powerful?" debates. But what ever case the Eastern Roman Empire proclaimed themselves as the continuation of the Roman Empire. You are obviously not that empire, for the Roman Empire died when the Ottoman Empire took Byzantine/Constantinople and renamed it Istanbul, setting Moscow as the "third Rome."

Constantinople is not your identity; it is a city claimed by us Greek and Turks.

Anyway: the Eastern Roman Empire was a decaying carcass of then already dead Roman Empire. The only glories you bring is to further expose the decayed skeleton.

The Romans are no more and you are currently occupying a part of Greece.

OOC: do not presume I do not know the Eastern Roman Empire, boy. The fact you called it Byzantine (a label by Victorians) is considering as the Eastern Roman Empire called itself the Eastern Roman Empire. Still I would find it worthy that your character would not want the prestige of being "the Liberator of Rome."

Andreas Laskaris, and the Roman senate, incensed by the words of a minor greek kingdom, thus threw out the Greek ambassador, withdrew ours, and expels all greek Citizens who happened to be there.

and, we left you with these words: you are the only nation who disputes the Roman Empires claim to be Roman. even the Volga federation, in possession of Moscow, agrees that we are the Roman Empire, with Roman People, and Roman Culture.

besides, if we claimed Rome, we would be known, to them, as the Conqueror of Rome. they clearly do not wish to be part of the Empire. or else the governor, or warlord controlling that city, would have joined.

all treaties with Greece is annulled.

EDIT:

The Turks must enjoy being marginalised.

iuf you would get your books out and read, yuou would knwo that Roman isnt an ethnic term. it is a term encompassing everyone who is a citizen of Rome, the Empire, regardless of ethnicty. Turkish, Greek, Bulgarian, Kurdish, Russian, Tartar... they consider themselves Roman, while not losing their heritage. its the equivilent of what you would call American.

 

[christos200]

Well, Japan, do explain what was recovered on the HMS Rosemary. We are WAITING.

To: Japan
From: Frane

Answers. Now. About the Rosemary. We demand them.

From: Japan
To: the World

Japan has nothing to do with this attack. Also, as you know, Japanese soldiers were found dead. Why would we kill our own soldiers?

OOC: I am the greatest power of the world (with 89 total in the stats) .

 

[Ailedhoo]

Andreas Laskaris, and the Roman senate, incensed by the words of a minor greek kingdom, thus threw out the Greek ambassador, withdrew ours, and expels all greek Citizens who happened to be there.

and, we left you with these words: you are the only nation who disputes the Roman Empires claim to be Roman. even the Volga federation, in possession of Moscow, agrees that we are the Roman Empire, with Roman People, and Roman Culture.

besides, if we claimed Rome, we would be known, to them, as the Conqueror of Rome. they clearly do not wish to be part of the Empire. or else the governor, or warlord controlling that city, would have joined.

all treaties with Greece is annulled.

It is a shame the power currently occupying Turkey, who well a bit stronger us military are weaker politically, forsake sanity.

As for conqueror: you fear that title yet you proclaim yourself to a imperial legacy?

What ever; your empire is a carcass decaying and the carrions of history will forsake it. We hereby denounce the Romans for their illegal occupation of Greek land (from Thessaloniki to the Greek city of Byzantine) and will await the day that all of Greece is independent from foreign forces, especially those currently occupying Turkey.

iuf you would get your books out and read, yuou would knwo that Roman isnt an ethnic term. it is a term encompassing everyone who is a citizen of Rome, the Empire, regardless of ethnicty. Turkish, Greek, Bulgarian, Kurdish, Russian, Tartar... they consider themselves Roman, while not losing their heritage. its the equivilent of what you would call American.

OOC: "Nice" you are presuming ignorance again, especially as you call your emperor Andreas. Did you not call your empire culturally Greek before?

Well never mind... this is getting derailing.

 

[W|M]

It is a shame the power currently occupying Greece forsake sanity.

ftfy

As for conqueror: you fear that title yet you proclaim yourself to a imperial legacy?

Being an Emperor is entirely different from being an unwanted occupier.

What ever; your empire is a carcass decaying and the carrions of history will forsake it. We hereby denounce the Romans for their illegal occupation of Greek land (from Thessaloniki to the Greek city of Byzantine) and will await the day that all of Greece is independent from foreign forces, especially those currently occupying Turkey.

The Roman Empire has its own right to sovreignity, just like any other country. You hypocritically denounce Roman ''occupation'' of Asia Minor, yet you are colonizing Libya, Sicily, and Sardinia, which are quite obviously not Greek, and your country is founded entirely upon Greek values. Also, unless you chose to rename your cities, there is no city in the world called ''Byzantine''.

OOC: "Nice" you are presuming ignorance again, especially as you call your emperor Andreas. Did you not call your empire culturally Greek before?

The fact that Greek culture is prevalent in the Roman Empire does not mean that there is a negation of the values of other ethnicities and cultures.

 

[Ailedhoo]

ftfy



Being an Emperor is entirely different from being an unwanted occupier.



The Roman Empire has its own right to sovreignity, just like any other country. You hypocritically denounce Roman ''occupation'' of Asia Minor, yet you are colonizing Libya, Sicily, and Sardinia, which are quite obviously not Greek, and your country is founded entirely upon Greek values. Also, unless you chose to rename your cities, there is no city in the world called ''Byzantine''.



The fact that Greek culture is prevalent in the Roman Empire does not mean that there is a negation of the values of other ethnicities and cultures.

For starters: this is not your argument. Granted we should have selected a more... private approach to the issue... still this is not a issue for you.

Second: Byzantium was the old name for Constantinople/Istanbul, during the time of the Greek city states. (OOC: yes I spelled it wrong but it was clear what I meant).

Third: "Rome" has no right to Greek land, especially Thessaloniki.

Fourth: your response is possible part of your antagonism towards the just Platonic Republic, as seen by your past remarks. Keep out of Greek-"Roman" arguments!

We will set future 'debate' between Constantinople and Athens in private.

OOC: in other words I am now officially declaring we should not derail this thread further. Arguments in thread end now; they continue in private messages.

 

[Mathalamus]

the Roman Empire, Realizing that a possible future conflict with the Greek kingdom may force a closure of the Bosporus offers the Volgan Federation a naval base in the Mediterranean.

simply choose a coastal city that you want to rent some of its port facilities, and the Roman Empire will make arrangements.

 

[Ailedhoo]

the Roman Empire, Realizing that a possible future conflict with the Greek kingdom may force a closure of the Bosporus offers the Volgan Federation a naval base in the Mediterranean.

simply choose a coastal city that you want to rent some of its port facilities, and the Roman Empire will make arrangements.

We are most ill founded of the clear war scaring of the "Romans." It ironic how it all started by our offer to liberate Rome for the Romans can at a rejection most illogical.

Still: we warn "Rome" that we have a league with the United Arab Republic and a defence pact with Ireland. In fact the former is most definitely would tip the scales in conflict.

Still: if you want to prove your nation a aggressor than please continue. The Platonic Republic will start noting the Turkish "Romans" that we will undermine you at your weaker levels.

Your brawn lessens your other paths...

 

[Mathalamus]

We are most ill founded of the clear war scaring of the "Romans." It ironic how it all started by our offer to liberate Rome for the Romans can at a rejection most illogical.

Still: we warn "Rome" that we have a league with the United Arab Republic and a defence pact with Ireland. In fact the former is most definitely would tip the scales in conflict.

Still: if you want to prove your nation a aggressor than please continue. The Platonic Republic will start noting the Turkish "Romans" that we will undermine you at your weaker levels.

Your brawn lessens your other paths...

we aren't gonna start the war...

(OOC: you cannot roleplay another persons citizens.)

 

[Ailedhoo]

we aren't gonna start the war...

(OOC: you cannot roleplay another persons citizens.)

You are the ones who threatened to attack us when we existed. You were the one who boosted could topple us. Your ego will be the doom of you. Sooner or later... your ego will dictate you... so we must be prepared in case.

OOC: I was not.

Anyway: this is getting derailing. Let us continue this in PM please or not at all. It is getting annoying for the other players.

 

[W|M]

Classic ailed: Offering territory to another country and still managing to get into a ridiculous argument

the Roman Empire, Realizing that a possible future conflict with the Greek kingdom may force a closure of the Bosporus offers the Volgan Federation a naval base in the Mediterranean.

simply choose a coastal city that you want to rent some of its port facilities, and the Roman Empire will make arrangements.

Thanks The Volgan Federation will rent Fossos* Naval Base, Smyrna region

*OOC: Correct me if my Hellenization of the Turkish name is wrong pl0x

 

[Mathalamus]

Thanks The Volgan Federation will rent Fossos* Naval Base, Smyrna region

*OOC: Correct me if my Hellenization of the Turkish name is wrong pl0x

sound choice. that would be my first choice as well. the Naval base will be ready for the Volgan ships, and supporting people/equipment.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Classic ailed: Offering territory to another country and still managing to get into a ridiculous argument

OOC: should that not be classic Math; given a reasonable offer, goes full turn coat moments later. See his dialogue with Japan regarding military assistance...

 

[Mathalamus]

OOC: should that not be classic Math; given a reasonable offer, goes full turn coat moments later. See his dialogue with Japan regarding military assistance...

that Military assistance ended when it was clear that Japan was doing it wrong.

 

[Ailedhoo]

that Military assistance ended when it was clear that Japan was doing it wrong.

OOC: which was around the time... posts before your commitment and only rejected a few posts after... Christos's call out of the issue... came notable during IOTchat if I remember correctly.

 

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