Impose a limit on total number of units

[cozye]

Thanks, let me check that mod you mention. I might like it too, just a single unit and less clutter on the screen. Sometimes it is blankets of units and I can't enjoy the scenery.

EDIT: Quite good mod. I am playing with it now on. Here is sample for other curious players.

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[arthurF]

I wish I knew what you guys were going on about. My post was about how long it was taking for the AI turns. This is a processing (CPU) issue. Nothing to do with the graphical representation. The limit on number units thing was to reduce the instructions the AI had to go through each turn, which on large maps, some time after 1600, on immortal setting or above, starts to really friggen chug.

 

[cozye]

I wish I knew what you guys were going on about. My post was about how long it was taking for the AI turns. This is a processing (CPU) issue. Nothing to do with the graphical representation. The limit on number units thing was to reduce the instructions the AI had to go through each turn, which on large maps, some time after 1600, on immortal setting or above, starts to really friggen chug.

I think it's probably just the way the software was written. Poor memory management and all that. Having a single graphical unit probably helps save memory? Less animations to process = less steps?

 

[StevenV]

I wish I knew what you guys were going on about. My post was about how long it was taking for the AI turns. This is a processing (CPU) issue. Nothing to do with the graphical representation. The limit on number units thing was to reduce the instructions the AI had to go through each turn, which on large maps, some time after 1600, on immortal setting or above, starts to really friggen chug.

Hi,

there is two solution, which you could try to reduce the number of units.

• easy: Set the min city distance from 3 to 4. This will result a 20-50% less city / map. If you have less cities you can expect less units. I tried it in my last game and works pretty well. You need to change only a few values in an SQL file. I dont remember which one, but I can find if needed.
• more complex: play with the Building.sql and decrease/delete the granted supply numbers in buildings like barrack / wall / stable / etc. It is more complex because there is many building you need to pay attention, not to mention the UB. However, you have more control.

Eventually, you could combine these two solution.

 

[Aristos]

Is there any a possibility of putting a per-civ limit on units? In late stages of games, on large maps, turns are taking a very long time to process ( on a very fast computer). This plus the sheer number of units that AI civs are carrying each turn (and to which the player is forced to respond with an over-large army of his own), seems to bog down play greatly. I really don't want to tab out and read the news for a couple minutes every time i press "end turn" button.

Use the following code inside a mini-mod of your own (SQL):

/*
Unit Movement Animation Duration
The animation time required for a unit to visually move between tiles.
The default VEM values are 25% of vanilla (quarter duration = four times as fast).
*/
UPDATE MovementRates SET
TotalTime            = 0.25 * TotalTime,
EaseIn                = 0.25 * EaseIn,
EaseOut                = 0.25 * EaseOut,
IndividualOffset    = 0.25 * IndividualOffset,
RowOffset            = 0.25 * RowOffset;

/*
Aircraft Move Speed
The speed of aircraft movement.
The default VEM values are 400% of vanilla (four times as fast).
*/

UPDATE ArtDefine_UnitMemberCombats
SET MoveRate = 4 * MoveRate;

UPDATE ArtDefine_UnitMemberCombats
SET TurnRateMin = 4 * TurnRateMin
WHERE MoveRate > 0;

UPDATE ArtDefine_UnitMemberCombats
SET TurnRateMax = 4 * TurnRateMax
WHERE MoveRate > 0;

 

[ryanmusante]

Use the following code inside a mini-mod of your own (SQL):

What is the best way to merge yours with this SQL? Are the AnimationPaths redundant?

-- Aircraft rebase animations.
UPDATE MovementRates SET TotalTime = 0.01
WHERE Type = "AIR_REBASE";

UPDATE AnimationPaths SET MissionPath = 0
WHERE Type = "ANIMATIONPATH_AIRFADEIN";

UPDATE AnimationPaths SET MissionPath = 0
WHERE Type = "ANIMATIONPATH_AIRFADEOUT";

--AttackRadius must be multiplied to ensure, that bomber do only 2 circles above the target as with the default speed

UPDATE ArtDefine_UnitMemberCombats
SET AttackRadius = 4 * AttackRadius
WHERE MoveRate > 0;

 

[Stalker0]

Use the following code inside a mini-mod of your own (SQL):

/*
Unit Movement Animation Duration
The animation time required for a unit to visually move between tiles.
The default VEM values are 25% of vanilla (quarter duration = four times as fast).
*/
UPDATE MovementRates SET
TotalTime            = 0.25 * TotalTime,
EaseIn                = 0.25 * EaseIn,
EaseOut                = 0.25 * EaseOut,
IndividualOffset    = 0.25 * IndividualOffset,
RowOffset            = 0.25 * RowOffset;

/*
Aircraft Move Speed
The speed of aircraft movement.
The default VEM values are 400% of vanilla (four times as fast).
*/

UPDATE ArtDefine_UnitMemberCombats
SET MoveRate = 4 * MoveRate;

UPDATE ArtDefine_UnitMemberCombats
SET TurnRateMin = 4 * TurnRateMin
WHERE MoveRate > 0;

UPDATE ArtDefine_UnitMemberCombats
SET TurnRateMax = 4 * TurnRateMax
WHERE MoveRate > 0;

Or you can just turn on quick moves for everything, wouldn't that be even better for performance?

 

[Aristos]

Or you can just turn on quick moves for everything, wouldn't that be even better for performance?

What if you want some animations? Quick moves is perhaps the one thing that civ 6 got right, as it really is QUICK moves, not NO moves, as in civ 5... those sql lines basically perform exactly like the Quick moves function in civ 6, with the added benefit of also quick flying the planes (which in civ 6 are extremely annoyingly slow, good that the AI is so smart that it does not build any airplanes to make for a better player experience... ).

@ryanmusante : after quick look, I think the lines I use are more generally encompassing, and they work well.

 

[ryanmusante]

What if you want some animations? Quick moves is perhaps the one thing that civ 6 got right, as it really is QUICK moves, not NO moves, as in civ 5...

So basically, Quick Moves by default is closer to .01 where they move so fast you can hardly see origin and destination of units?

UPDATE MovementRates SET
TotalTime            = 0.01 * TotalTime,

 

[Stalker0]

What if you want some animations?

This is where my knowledge of the system fails. The thread was talking about ways to speed up performance, and some of that is graphical...aka animations. I personally would think that fast animations still consume the same resources as slow one, so your not really seeing a performance improvement. With quick moves, which removes the animations, it frees that part up.

I could be completely wrong about that, but that was the thought.

 

[Aristos]

This is where my knowledge of the system fails. The thread was talking about ways to speed up performance, and some of that is graphical...aka animations. I personally would think that fast animations still consume the same resources as slow one, so your not really seeing a performance improvement. With quick moves, which removes the animations, it frees that part up.

I could be completely wrong about that, but that was the thought.

Civ 5 is known to render the animations off-screen, meaning they coded the engine so stupidly wrong that it renders ALL animations in the game, even those that the player does not see because they are off the screen and/or under the shroud...

Therefore, ANY increase in animation speed becomes an increase in performance. That's why the turns are so much faster in any given game the moment you turn off animations (an extreme case of animation acceleration).

AFAIK, they did not repeat that mistake (at least that one) in civ 6.

 

[vyyt]

I could be reading this wrong, but isn't the QuickTurns mod (which turns off the animations of AI units unless at war intelligently) the most elegant and efficient solution?

 

[ryanmusante]

I could be reading this wrong, but isn't the QuickTurns mod (which turns off the animations of AI units unless at war intelligently) the most elegant and efficient solution?

I posted from the sql included with quick turns, the" faster aircraft animations" portion. Because quick turns is a merger of both.