Industrious and Commercial Traits

[lazarus319l]

OK - So easy question that I can't easy find the answer to.

For Conquest

What does the bonus for the Industrial trait (does it get a bonus commerce for the center tile per base)?

What does the Commercial trait get? Is it really that effective with lowering corruption or is it just a drop in the bucket?


Thanks for answering this Newbie question

 

[Taras Bulba]

Industrious: 1.5 worker rate

Commercial: bonus commerce in city tiles

I'm pretty sure those are the big ones... someone can correct me if I'm wrong

 

[lazarus319l]

I thought Industrious got a bonus commerce in city square....but not sure if that's true...

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Industrial gets additional shields in city and metro centers. I think it is one for a city, and uhhh don't really know about metros.

 

[Optional]

Commercial gets an extra commerce in city centres, yes, so it's worthwhile to get your towns up to cities when you're commercial. And there's less curruption, but I wouldn't be able to quantify this.
Industrial only gets extra shields in metropole centres, not yet in cities, I believe. I once read Industrious generates less waste, but this is not something I'm sure about. The best bit about Industrious is the faster workers, but personally I would rate Commercial higher than Industrious.
Sorry to be a bit vague. Even fairly experienced players don't seem to be very sure on the details of Industrious and Commercial.

 

[sixtysix]

I believe that the commercial trait reduces corruption a bit.Pretty handy with a massive empire. Commercial is in many ways the opposite of the expantionist trait. It's not all that useful in the early eras, but it packs a pretty big punch come the industrial age.

 

[Chamnix]

Industrious gets the faster workers and +1 shield in metros (no effect on towns or cities). It has no effect on commerce or waste.

Commercial gets +2 commerce in cities and +3 commerce in metros (relative to a non-commercial tribe). Corruption and waste are reduced empire-wide. The amount of the reduction depends some on the level you're playing at - it affects rank corruption (which is more severe on higher levels) but not distance corruption (which is the same regardless of level). I think of it as roughly 1/2 a courthouse per city.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Hmm, what I am seeing with Industrious is that Cities (7-12) get:
2 shields in cities on no-shield terrain (flood plains, grassland, tundra etc) and
3 shields on one-shield terrain (bonus grassland, plains, desert, hills etc).

Cities of non-industrious civs only get:
1 shields on no-shield terrain and
2 shields on one-shield terrain.

Metros (13+) of industrious civs get:
3 shields on no-shield terrain and
4 shields on one-shield terrain.

Metros of non-industrious civs only get:
2 shields on no-shield terrain and
3 shields on one-shield terrain.

--> Industrious gets an additionl shield in the center tile of Cities and Metros. At least in Vanilla 1.29b2

 

[Optional]

This must mean Industrious has been clipped in more than one way!
Lazarus319 was referring to Conquests, so wouldn't get those Vanilla bonuses for Industrious.

 

[Chamnix]

Interesting - PTW actually works the same as conquests, so I guess they clipped industrious a little bit between vanilla and PTW, and then hit it again for conquests.

 

[AndrewN]

According to the information I have you get +1 shield at size 7-12 for all civs, but you might not notice this if the terrain you settled on had no shields of its own as you get a free shield in this case, which you promptly lose when you grow. When you get to size 13+ non industrial civs get an extra +1 shield (for a minimum of 2) and industrial civs get +2 shields (for a minimum of 3).

For commerce, non-commercial civs get +1 commerce at size 7 and commercial civs get +3 and at size 13+ an extra bonus of +1 for non commercial civs and +2 for commercial (note that your capital will have a minimum of 4 commerce).

All numbers are subject to the despot penalty.

These numbers are from a file downloaded from this site but alas I can't remember who did all the figuring (it wasn't me). I believe this is correct for conquests.

 

[Turner]

Commercial also raises the OCN by 25%.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Commercial also raises the OCN by 25%.

So that's why India tends to have more productive cities. In a previous game as India, I had to redefine where to stop building Courthouses and start specialist farms.

 

[CarthageFTW]

Some claim the corruption reduction with commerical isn't that worth it, and I'm in agreement. I personally find infustuctre very improtant, so I prefer industrious (just another thing i love about Carthage, best of both worlds, Seafaring and Industious)