Inner peace

Have you found inner peace?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 21.7%
  • No, still searching.

    Votes: 24 40.0%
  • It's a myth.

    Votes: 14 23.3%
  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 9 15.0%

  • Total voters
    60
Gelion said:
How did you find inner peace? What was the final brick in this "construction" for you?
It's not something that can be learned for absorbed shortly. And different people have different ways of arriving to their own peace.

I had been battling depression but I don't think it was clinical depression. Upset by setbacks, I lost all discipline in my research. I wasn't progressing, didn't know what I wanted to do with life, etc. And all this only made things worse as I thought about it and couldn't really get myself to focus.

So I decided to cut loose from it. I dropped the thesis aspect of my Masters and decided to take a course to graduate. I started to take classes/do activities I've started before but never stuck with. Salsa dancing, weight lifting, tae kwon do, etc. Basically, I was balancing learning things I wanted to do, hanging out with friends, playing sports, etc and finishing my Masters degree.

However, the major contribution to all of it was the Tae Kwon Do course at Michigan State and the instructor there. Every class was both physical and philosophical. The main concept that I walked away with is, "embracing failure." For someone who was a perfectionist, it's very liberating once you accomplish it.

We strived for failure in the class. Your goal may be 25 push-ups, and mine 30. But if we get close to reaching our goal, we bump it some more. White belts, green belts, 1st degree black belts, 5 degree black belts, we all were learning. He would ask us to do something which was difficult, but easy for some others. But then he'd ask them to do something else which was extremely difficult for them. We're always progressing. We fail and we get better. We set higher goals and fail again and we get getter and process repeats. Regardless, it's the acceptance of it. And moreso, the embracing of the philosophy in other areas of life.

I used to think about how humans (and each individual) can always progress but never reach certain goals. When learning limits in Calculus, that concept was easy to comprehend. But it's another level when you accept and embrace reality.

I had always been afraid to fail. That was something that was holding me back. Whether it's in regards to asking a girl out or whatever. I liked the comfort in doing things I was good at and challenging myself to excel in them. However, embracing failure throughout my life made dancing fun. Made cooking enjoyable. A very liberating process.

The misery and suffering in the world is always something that I've thought about. I've always been philosophical and looked up to Buddha. I wanted to help the world like he did. I believed I could do it. After reading Condorcet's The Progress of the Human Mind I took to heart what he wrote at the end. That as philosophers, we can take solace in the fact that there is such progress in humanity. That despite the constant struggles, people have and continue to learn and it has spread.

Despite the hatred that fuels some people, despite the violence that continues to inflict us, despite some people's willful ignorance, I became at peace with myself, others and our limitations. Because embracing failue allowed me to accept that I might not be as great as Buddha or Gandhi. And embrace the challenges of seeing what I can do. I can still help others and they'll help me and we'll share our failures together as we learn. And we'll improve and share our joys.
 
Nothing personal, but its been my experience that people who claim to have inner peace, are usually full of baloney. Im sure you think you have inner peace, but trust me you dont. Even if you really did, noticing and discussing it would end it immediately. Its like when Wile E Coyote looks down, notices he's in the air, and only then starts to fall.
 
Bozo Erectus said:
Even if you really did, noticing and discussing it would end it immediately.
You think it's a myth. Very well. I did leave that as an option because I knew people wouldn't believe it possible. However, I don't understand this statement.
 
Thank you for the answers I will retire to think now :) (not a joke I really will)
 
Bozo Erectus said:
Nothing personal, but its been my experience that people who claim to have inner peace, are usually full of baloney.
I agree with you on most counts. However not on all. Some people probably are truly at peace most of the time.

They are the type that wouldn't mind whether you believed them or not. I suppose that is why the cynical exist. To test people's conviction. :D

I also don't believe there is a pinacle called "Inner Peace". Peace is realitive just like turmoil is.
 
kingjoshi said:
You think it's a myth. Very well. I did leave that as an option because I knew people wouldn't believe it possible. However, I don't understand this statement.
Maybe we have different definitions of what inner peace is. To me inner peace means having no awareness of the self. We're aware of the self when we have some feeling or need, physical or emotional. We notice ourselves because everything is in tune except for us, we're playing a discordant note. Inner peace means inner quiet, stillness, non awareness. As soon as youre aware of non awareness, its gone, like a dream.
Narz said:
I agree with you on most counts. However not on all. Some people probably are truly at peace most of the time.

They are the type that wouldn't mind whether you believed them or not. I suppose that is why the cynical exist. To test people's conviction. :D

I also don't believe there is a pinacle called "Inner Peace". Peace is realitive just like turmoil is.
Absolutely. There are moments of inner peace, but its not a permanent state one achieves. With experience you can prolong those moments, or make them more frequent, but thats about it.
 
You do have a no real understanding of Budhism, read the Siddharta yet. Inner peace means the chains no longer bind you it can be found through nothingness but that is merely the first step, so I'm told. 99.99999999% of people have no time to find it, it takes a lifetime for some and hundreds for others :)

And no 99.9999999% is not equal to 100% :)
 
Bozo Erectus said:
Maybe we have different definitions of what inner peace is. To me inner peace means having no awareness of the self. We're aware of the self when we have some feeling or need, physical or emotional. We notice ourselves because everything is in tune except for us, we're playing a discordant note. Inner peace means inner quiet, stillness, non awareness. As soon as youre aware of non awareness, its gone, like a dream.

Guess we're using different interpretations; mine would be that we are very aware of satisfaction with life at a point in time and a place in the world. It would have to be fleeting, as it would also disappear with any need.
 
As BE said, there are certainly moments of this so-called 'inner peace', but claiming this as a permanent state is downright lying.
 
You get this impression because you have met how many people who have achieved it and know of the ways to do so and are wise in the application of self to find it, and have in fact tried and failed? So unwise a philosophy would not convince anyone.
 
Irish Caesar said:
Guess we're using different interpretations; mine would be that we are very aware of satisfaction with life at a point in time and a place in the world. It would have to be fleeting, as it would also disappear with any need.
To me what youre describing is contentment, something a little different.

edit: for example, the moments immediately after sex. Theres a great feeling of contentment, but its not what I would call inner peace.
 
@Sidhe: are you talking to me? If so, no I haven't met one of the E-7 % you refer to.
 
Irish Caesar said:
Perhaps, but this is no ordinary contentment.
IMO

contentment = 'Ah, all my needs in this world are fullfilled'

inner peace = 'What needs? What world?'
 
Well, I've figured out alot about life by just thinking idly, and reading some books, but I haven't attained inner peace. I still get angry at people when they are being jackasses, hate some people, sometimes lust for power, sex, etc. and want bad things to happen to some idiotic people at times. That stuff is wrong, I know, but I don't really think I want to attain inner peace, because then I wouldn't care about anyone or anything, and I just wouldn't want to live without showing people that being a jerk is wrong, :p, and helping other people. To me, inner peace is impossible. I don't believe that crap about "accepting what I can't change", because if there is something completely wrong, I'm going to change it, and won't rest til it is changed. So I guess being angry and wanting bad things happen to idiots is my inner peace, in a way, or at least the path there.
 
@BozoE, I don't get how inner peace has anything to do with being non-aware. Especially being non-aware of self and the world? Being comatose while awake is inner peace?
 
I have yet to find inner peace. Though I have been praying the Serenity Prayer

God, grant me the Serenity
to accept the things I cannot change,
the Courage to change the things I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference.
 
I have found inner peace as defined in the OP, and I've also noticed a sudden decrease in my ambitions. Not bad, really.

Bozo, why do you insist on redefining inner peace to some supremely unattainable state of comatoseness?
 
Bozo Erectus said:
Nothing personal, but its been my experience that people who claim to have inner peace, are usually full of baloney. Im sure you think you have inner peace, but trust me you dont. Even if you really did, noticing and discussing it would end it immediately. Its like when Wile E Coyote looks down, notices he's in the air, and only then starts to fall.
That is the reason why i said i can't find outer peace ... peace with those around me, peace with everything that exists around me.
 
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