Intelligence- Infos about the other civs

[HUSch]

I see nowhere anythings about the other and give you the available infos. The F9 graphics and the demo give plenty information. Since i'm beginning with the save of 1470, i've no history and so the infos are meager, i can give not all possible infos, but i hope, it will be enough.

In this turn
GNP
we have 35
Bismarck has 28
Caesar has 65
the other 3 has 122, 73, 57

Products
we have 185
Bismarck has 15
Caesar has 41
the other 3 has 114, 77, 56

Military power, here i can only make a guess about the correct situation from the graphic, and from demo we know:
they have 1226.000 together, the best has 327.000 and the last 143.000

We have 345.000
Bismarck has ~140.000
Caesar has ~240.000
It is a my opinion that Bismarck is the last one. so we have for the 3 unknown
327.000 and ~515 for the othe 2.

Landsquares, the same as above, we know:
they have together 544, the best has 149 and the last 64

We have 301
Bismarck has 64
Caesar has 75
The other 3 have 149 and 2 together with 256.

Thats the facts, now the intelligence/wisdom comes.

I think, that's no surprise to anybody here, there is one good opponent on the other continent with the all best scores, also
Team 1 has 122 GNP, 114 products, 327.000 MP and 149 Ls

Btw with the early saves you/we/i can get infos about the civs, but i didn't found them. Is there a fred with them.

 

[dutchfire]

This thread has some graphs and lots of other info.

This page has links to all turnchat threads. You should be able to find all saves in these threads.

I think the most important bit of information so far is the fact that neither Divine Right nor Liberalism has been discovered.

 

[HUSch]

Thx

In the beginning there are 24.000 MP, with the best has 6.000 and the last has 2.000 MP.
Germany, Rom and France has together 12.000 MP, but not 6.000 or 2.000, also:
The other continent has 3Civs with 2.000, 4.000 and 6.000 MP.
6000 MP has only Mongolia
4.000 MP has only Russia
2.000 MP has Greece and Persia
Also nobody is creative.

Also on the other continent is Kublai, Peter and Alexander.

 

[Provolution]

Wait, we are Genghiz? How about Kublai ?

 

[HUSch]

I know, but there is only Mongolia with 6.000 MP at the start.

 

[Provolution]

I think that might not be the case. It has to be a different explanation.
The MP also derives from promotions, like "Combat", as it measures "strength".
It could be another civ with aggressive trait?

 

[DaveShack]

What does MP mean?

It can't be Kublai, if it were then we would have had to start the game with non-random settings. Are you perhaps using Warlords numbers instead of Vanilla?

 

[dutchfire]

MP is military power?

Did you factor in that Mongolia starts with a scout (0 soldiers) while some other civs start with a warrior?

It can't be Kublai as he's creative and you said no-one is creative

 

[HUSch]

MP is military power?

Did you factor in that Mongolia starts with a scout (0 soldiers) while some other civs start with a warrior?

It can't be Kublai as he's creative and you said no-one is creative

start techs gives you military points/soldiers:
Fishing 0
Agriculture 0
Mysticism 0
Mining 2000
The Wheel 4000
Hunting 2000

All with hunting has a scout, without a warrior/quechua (1000)

6000 MP get you not
with wheel (4000) and mining (2000) + warrior (1000) = 7000 (Mali)
only with wheel (4000) and hunting (2000) + scout = 6000 (Mongolia)
see here

That Kublai is creative is a shock for me, but who is at. Genghis?
Get the other more than 2 techs?

 

[dutchfire]

Maybe someone popped a warrior/tech from a hut on turn 1 or something?

 

[HUSch]

Maybe someone popped a warrior/tech from a hut on turn 1 or something?

That is not the solution, i wish there is one.
If you look at the 4000 save, they haven't move, the AI come after us. After closing the first turn (i have mad it) they found their cities and get their culture-expanding together with us, also they aren't creative.

How and who has made the map? I've read some of the fred at the beginning. Can the mapmaker changed our civ after? I've no knowledge in this.

 

[dutchfire]

That is not the solution, i wish there is one.
If you look at the 4000 save, they haven't move, the AI come after us. After closing the first turn (i have mad it) they found their cities and get their culture-expanding together with us, also they aren't creative.

How and who has made the map? I've read some of the fred at the beginning. Can the mapmaker changed our civ after? I've no knowledge in this.

It's just a normal random map created by civ itself.

Ah, I guess we'll know soon enough who our opponents are.

edit: couldn't it be a rounding on the average military strength?

 

[dutchfire]

Thx

In the beginning there are 24.000 MP, with the best has 6.000 and the last has 2.000 MP.
Germany, Rom and France has together 12.000 MP, but not 6.000 or 2.000, also:
The other continent has 3Civs with 2.000, 4.000 and 6.000 MP.
6000 MP has only Mongolia
4.000 MP has only Russia
2.000 MP has Greece and Persia
Also nobody is creative.

Also on the other continent is Kublai, Peter and Alexander.

Apparently, you were wrong, we now know for sure that Montezuma and Tokugawa are on the other continent. Maybe you forget to factor in the bonusses the AI gets on monarch? Don't they get extra units/techs?

 

[HUSch]

Yes i'm wrong.


I don't understand.
The AI get free techs and warriors not until king.
In this game the AI gets only +1 scout,
at king it's: archery, warrior and builder.

 

[Joe Harker]

Arn't we playing prince level?

 

[ordinaryguy]

Yes, we are.

I don't know what level is king is though. Civ 3? BTS?

 

[Joe Harker]

Civ 3 has a king level

 

[ori]

I don't know what level is king is though. Civ 3? BTS?

No - German version It has "König" which is either "king" or "monarch" in english... So HUSch is speaking about "Monarch" level

 

[Joe Harker]

ahh, translations are always dodgy