IOT Developmental Thread
- Thread starter Joecoolyo
- Start date
Robert Can't
Éponine
XIV is probably the only ruleset I've used that wasn't completely original.
arya126
Squad Leader
The first change to DTF will be it won't start a year after. The Change happens on March 17th 1998, and the game will start a month afterwards on April 17th, 1998. Additionally, you as a player will have a choice of starting off as a lone individual, or as the leader of a very small settlement. The lone individual portion will be similar to what we see in The Stand. As in, you will start with a reasonable character who has started to acclimate to the way things now work (no steam power, no modern tools or tech, no guns, etc) and rolls will be done on important actions as you role-play.
Lone Individual
The eventual goal when starting off as a lone individual is to create a settlement. Those who opt for a settlement at the start, start with only 10 pop and are level 0 in each tech field and level 1 in every settlement category. What technologies you may ask? What settlement categories you may be asking yourself? These are some of those adjustments to the ruleset I mentioned earlier. But we will get to those in a moment. As a lone individual you have the opportunity to roam the world alone, or create a nomadic group that follows you in your travels, or even settle down as a settlement. You have added flexibility as a result of starting off by yourself. This is because you have the ability to gather certain types of people that may prove valuable in creating a nomadic group or a settlement that will mean you start off with a higher level in certain 'settlement categories'. Or you may find objects or knowledge that gives you a starting edge in one of those tech groups.
The downside to starting off alone is that the world is in chaos. There is no stability, and there is a high risk of death as you travel alone or in a small group. There are cannibals to fear, or you may run afoul of a larger group or an unkind settlement. You have to find food and supplies. But should you survive these dangers you have greater flexibility in choosing your settlements spot when considered alongside other settlements that spring up. Note that nothing is stopping you from throwing your hat in with an already established nomadic group or settlement at any time, although you may not have the same control as if you had founded it and led it.
Technology
This is a change that affects settlements and nomadic groups. Starting settlements have 0 tech in all 4 tech groups: Military, Fortification, Farming, and Civil. You gain levels in technology by investing tech points into them. For each tech point up to 100 in a single field, you have that percentage chance of advancing in that field that turn. For example, 5 tech points mean you have a 5% chance. You get tech points based off of how many elite pops you currently have. Each elite pop produces 1 tech point a turn (a turn is 1 season).
For Military however, there will be different branches you can invest into. The branches will be Infantry, Mounted, Naval and Strategy. They are fairly obvious except for the last one, but I will describe what each does anyway. Infantry Tech improves the performance of swordsman, pikemen, archers, and other soldiers that are on foot. Mounted tech improves any soldier that is mounted during battle, such as a lancer or horse archer. Naval is the unlocking of naval construction and the improvement of combat upon water. Naval tech is locked unless you possess a settlement that borders a river or the ocean. Strategy is the level of tactics and strategic thought that your society can provide in the form of War Leaders.
Settlements
Disregard the settlement section for now. After thinking on it, I think I need to stay simple and avoid complicating things too much. Leaving it as a spoiler so people may read it if they wish, and I have it to come back to.
War Leaders
War Leaders are your generals. You may have a maximum of 3 for every settlement you have. They are converted from elite pops, and are used to lead your military into battles, and have a modifier affecting how well they fight based on your strategic tech. Troops without a war leader do not get the bonus and are more likely to route or surrender.
That is all I have come up with for the moment, and not a single bit is set in stone.
Lone Individual
The eventual goal when starting off as a lone individual is to create a settlement. Those who opt for a settlement at the start, start with only 10 pop and are level 0 in each tech field and level 1 in every settlement category. What technologies you may ask? What settlement categories you may be asking yourself? These are some of those adjustments to the ruleset I mentioned earlier. But we will get to those in a moment. As a lone individual you have the opportunity to roam the world alone, or create a nomadic group that follows you in your travels, or even settle down as a settlement. You have added flexibility as a result of starting off by yourself. This is because you have the ability to gather certain types of people that may prove valuable in creating a nomadic group or a settlement that will mean you start off with a higher level in certain 'settlement categories'. Or you may find objects or knowledge that gives you a starting edge in one of those tech groups.
The downside to starting off alone is that the world is in chaos. There is no stability, and there is a high risk of death as you travel alone or in a small group. There are cannibals to fear, or you may run afoul of a larger group or an unkind settlement. You have to find food and supplies. But should you survive these dangers you have greater flexibility in choosing your settlements spot when considered alongside other settlements that spring up. Note that nothing is stopping you from throwing your hat in with an already established nomadic group or settlement at any time, although you may not have the same control as if you had founded it and led it.
Technology
This is a change that affects settlements and nomadic groups. Starting settlements have 0 tech in all 4 tech groups: Military, Fortification, Farming, and Civil. You gain levels in technology by investing tech points into them. For each tech point up to 100 in a single field, you have that percentage chance of advancing in that field that turn. For example, 5 tech points mean you have a 5% chance. You get tech points based off of how many elite pops you currently have. Each elite pop produces 1 tech point a turn (a turn is 1 season).
For Military however, there will be different branches you can invest into. The branches will be Infantry, Mounted, Naval and Strategy. They are fairly obvious except for the last one, but I will describe what each does anyway. Infantry Tech improves the performance of swordsman, pikemen, archers, and other soldiers that are on foot. Mounted tech improves any soldier that is mounted during battle, such as a lancer or horse archer. Naval is the unlocking of naval construction and the improvement of combat upon water. Naval tech is locked unless you possess a settlement that borders a river or the ocean. Strategy is the level of tactics and strategic thought that your society can provide in the form of War Leaders.
Settlements
Spoiler :
Disregard the settlement section for now. After thinking on it, I think I need to stay simple and avoid complicating things too much. Leaving it as a spoiler so people may read it if they wish, and I have it to come back to.
War Leaders
War Leaders are your generals. You may have a maximum of 3 for every settlement you have. They are converted from elite pops, and are used to lead your military into battles, and have a modifier affecting how well they fight based on your strategic tech. Troops without a war leader do not get the bonus and are more likely to route or surrender.
That is all I have come up with for the moment, and not a single bit is set in stone.
arya126
Squad Leader
For each tech point invested into a tech group (like Civil Tech), you get a 1% chance of getting an advance in that tech group. So having 10 tech points invested in Civil tech gives you a 10% chance of getting to the next level of that tech every turn.
arya126
Squad Leader
Settlements (Revised)
Settlements. You begin with one as your capital and initial settlement. You can build more settlements in time, but be careful about overextending yourself. There is no immediate communication anymore, so each settlement is on its own most of the time. If you want to build a new settlement you have to send pops out to build it. If you send 10 pops it will take 3 seasons, 20 pops will take 2 seasons, and 30 pops will take 1 season. The defense value of a settlement in a raid is determined by how pops and soldiers you have stationed there. The defense value of a settlement in a siege or a normal assault on the settlement is determined by a combination of pops, soldiers, and your fortification tech.
Calculations like crop failures, farming, and immigration/emigration are done on the level of polities (such as all of AA's territories, not just his capital). However in each individual settlement the number of pops (normal, soldier, and elite) are kept track of for defense purposes. Plagues are also spread settlement by settlement.
War
War will be changed as well. Instead of a universal soldier pop, there will be different types of soldiers to reflect the composition of medieval armies.
Peasant - All it takes to get a peasant soldier pop is to convert a normal pop to a soldier. They go to battle with whatever they can find, whether it be a club or a scythe. Available that turn.
Crossbowmen - Short ranged but effective crossbow thrust into the hands of a peasant. Available immediately. Costs 1 ducat.
Archer - A person armed with a crude bow either found or made. Takes a season to train for use.
Longbow - A soldier armed with a Longbow who has trained extensively with it. Long ranged and very effective. Requires specialized technical knowledge. Takes 2 seasons to train for use. Costs 1 ducat.
Swordsman - A soldier armed with a sword and trained in its use, normally armored well. Takes 1 season to train for use. Costs 2 ducats.
Pikemen - A soldier armed with a pike and used for keeping the enemy at a slight distance and stopping cavalry charges in their tracks. Available immediately. Costs 1 ducat.
Mounted Soldier - A soldier armed with a sword or spear and trained to fight from horseback. Takes 1 season to train in use. Costs 3 ducats.
Horse Archer - An archer who is trained to shoot arrows from horseback effectively. Requires specialized technical knowledge. Takes 1 season for an archer to upgrade. Costs 4 ducats and an archer.
Lancer - A well armed mounted soldier that charges the enemy with a lance before drawing a sword or spear. Well armored and generally considered the best of medieval warfare. Takes 1 season to upgrade from a mounted soldier and 2 seasons to upgrade from a swordsman. Costs 5 ducats and 1 swordsman/mounted soldier and 1 normal pop.
You may notice that most units require tech points. This is to reflect the emerging professions like blacksmiths that are created to create this equipment once the food situation isn't looking so dire. You can also put in your orders to scavenge equipment to arm a small group before you can begin creating such equipment yourself, but this method is unreliable. Nomadic groups have better luck with the scavenging however, and may end up having specialized persons that can create small amounts of arms and armor if given the right tools. That is one of the advantages of starting off as a lone individual.
There are two ways of fighting a war in this IOT. The first option is rather traditional. I will take your war orders and calc the battle based on the math behind the soldiers with a degree of luck factored in as well as the war plans (such as use the mounted soldiers to slowly draw the enemy into a valley surrounded by longbows, etc).
The second option will be to fight it out in an RTS setting that relies more on round by round orders with you acting as the commander of the battle. This method can be fought in the chatroom for those of you who can make an acceptable time together before orders are due. If you cannot make a time but want this method, you can appoint a trustworthy stand in for you. A variation of this allows for the same RTS control, but instead done in a social group so that time differences can be accounted for, and you can both have more tactical control over your forces. This will not be an extended period in chat such as an AC mission. There will be a limited number of rounds reflecting the length of time you have to operate that season, and once the rounds are finished, your forces are left where they are for the update and you can resume the next turn/season.
Commerce
If the game lasts long enough for the world to stabilize, then trade will begin to resume between the newly created communities. Naval tech and ports will aid this process, and eventually currencies may begin to be created by players. This will not be an immediate feature, but rather something to keep in mind: there is a world out there once everyone is done worrying about their immediate survival.
---
Comments are appreciated. I think next weekend might be a good time to throw this up. Maybe in 2 weeks depending on how busy the next few weeks are.
Settlements. You begin with one as your capital and initial settlement. You can build more settlements in time, but be careful about overextending yourself. There is no immediate communication anymore, so each settlement is on its own most of the time. If you want to build a new settlement you have to send pops out to build it. If you send 10 pops it will take 3 seasons, 20 pops will take 2 seasons, and 30 pops will take 1 season. The defense value of a settlement in a raid is determined by how pops and soldiers you have stationed there. The defense value of a settlement in a siege or a normal assault on the settlement is determined by a combination of pops, soldiers, and your fortification tech.
Calculations like crop failures, farming, and immigration/emigration are done on the level of polities (such as all of AA's territories, not just his capital). However in each individual settlement the number of pops (normal, soldier, and elite) are kept track of for defense purposes. Plagues are also spread settlement by settlement.
War
War will be changed as well. Instead of a universal soldier pop, there will be different types of soldiers to reflect the composition of medieval armies.
Peasant - All it takes to get a peasant soldier pop is to convert a normal pop to a soldier. They go to battle with whatever they can find, whether it be a club or a scythe. Available that turn.
Crossbowmen - Short ranged but effective crossbow thrust into the hands of a peasant. Available immediately. Costs 1 ducat.
Archer - A person armed with a crude bow either found or made. Takes a season to train for use.
Longbow - A soldier armed with a Longbow who has trained extensively with it. Long ranged and very effective. Requires specialized technical knowledge. Takes 2 seasons to train for use. Costs 1 ducat.
Swordsman - A soldier armed with a sword and trained in its use, normally armored well. Takes 1 season to train for use. Costs 2 ducats.
Pikemen - A soldier armed with a pike and used for keeping the enemy at a slight distance and stopping cavalry charges in their tracks. Available immediately. Costs 1 ducat.
Mounted Soldier - A soldier armed with a sword or spear and trained to fight from horseback. Takes 1 season to train in use. Costs 3 ducats.
Horse Archer - An archer who is trained to shoot arrows from horseback effectively. Requires specialized technical knowledge. Takes 1 season for an archer to upgrade. Costs 4 ducats and an archer.
Lancer - A well armed mounted soldier that charges the enemy with a lance before drawing a sword or spear. Well armored and generally considered the best of medieval warfare. Takes 1 season to upgrade from a mounted soldier and 2 seasons to upgrade from a swordsman. Costs 5 ducats and 1 swordsman/mounted soldier and 1 normal pop.
You may notice that most units require tech points. This is to reflect the emerging professions like blacksmiths that are created to create this equipment once the food situation isn't looking so dire. You can also put in your orders to scavenge equipment to arm a small group before you can begin creating such equipment yourself, but this method is unreliable. Nomadic groups have better luck with the scavenging however, and may end up having specialized persons that can create small amounts of arms and armor if given the right tools. That is one of the advantages of starting off as a lone individual.
There are two ways of fighting a war in this IOT. The first option is rather traditional. I will take your war orders and calc the battle based on the math behind the soldiers with a degree of luck factored in as well as the war plans (such as use the mounted soldiers to slowly draw the enemy into a valley surrounded by longbows, etc).
The second option will be to fight it out in an RTS setting that relies more on round by round orders with you acting as the commander of the battle. This method can be fought in the chatroom for those of you who can make an acceptable time together before orders are due. If you cannot make a time but want this method, you can appoint a trustworthy stand in for you. A variation of this allows for the same RTS control, but instead done in a social group so that time differences can be accounted for, and you can both have more tactical control over your forces. This will not be an extended period in chat such as an AC mission. There will be a limited number of rounds reflecting the length of time you have to operate that season, and once the rounds are finished, your forces are left where they are for the update and you can resume the next turn/season.
Commerce
If the game lasts long enough for the world to stabilize, then trade will begin to resume between the newly created communities. Naval tech and ports will aid this process, and eventually currencies may begin to be created by players. This will not be an immediate feature, but rather something to keep in mind: there is a world out there once everyone is done worrying about their immediate survival.
---
Comments are appreciated. I think next weekend might be a good time to throw this up. Maybe in 2 weeks depending on how busy the next few weeks are.
I mean the modern tech.
Ogane
Proletarian Revolutionary
Spoiler :
Okay was this ever done and I just missed out on it cause I would be pissed.
Ogane
Proletarian Revolutionary
By that you mean Aegon's right?
Ogane
Proletarian Revolutionary
conquest of Dorne by Daeron the Young Dragon
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2008
- Messages
- 14,928
Same problem in HM's Governments as well depending on how forceful you are.
And getting Liberals in a democracy is kinda a crapshoot depending on how the game is going. Though, in retrospect, I will probably ax the military discount.
