IOT Developmental Thread

And in previous IOTs agreements could be broke whenever, and I assume its the same for the new rules.

Also, thanks for ignoring the rest of my statement.

Silence means agreement.
 
Well, the thing is, the DPs need to be limited or it will be world war all over again, which we want to avoid. 1 VS 1 wars should be more common, hence charging to sign pacts and alliances.
 
Its possible in OTL since the Roman times. World Wars are at a greater extent than normal wars. You only have to see how long Europe and China has to rebuild after WWII to see that. Marshall Plan was from 47-51, and yet Europe still wasn't all repaired. In China, it took the 60s and 70s for the rebuilding stage to finish. And limiting DPs when they can be broke at any time is just not sound in gameplay.
 
Cull said:
Its possible in OTL since the Roman times. World Wars are at a greater extent than normal wars. You only have to see how long Europe and China has to rebuild after WWII to see that. Marshall Plan was from 47-51, and yet Europe still wasn't all repaired. In China, it took the 60s and 70s for the rebuilding stage to finish. And limiting DPs when they can be broke at any time is just not sound in gameplay.
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Maybe that's the point so they won't be signed as much:goodjob:

Massive alliances and 1453 do not mix well. Massive alliances and the modern era do.
 
Uh no. The only massive alliance of the modern times is NATO and the Warsaw Pact which were much closer to America/USSR's ally organizations.

And massive alliances and 1453 do work. Crusades were massive alliances of the top of my head.
 
Cull said:
Uh no. The only massive alliance of the modern times is NATO and the Warsaw Pact which were much closer to America/USSR's ally organizations.

And massive alliances and 1453 do work. Crusades were massive alliances of the top of my head.
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Only for one war though, and the warriors in the Crusades often fought amongst themselves at other times. LONG TERM alliances didn't happen.
 
The First Crusade in 1095 was most certainly a "world war", by the standards of the time.
 
Arakhor said:
The First Crusade in 1095 was most certainly a "world war", by the standards of the time.
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But still, it was just West Europe VS the Middle East. In this game it can be worse than that.

And again, these massive wars could still happen, its just that, they had a better reason then "They attacked my friend" only valid in the modern era.

I have to go and I'm gonna stop because we are probably doing a different era anyways.
 
We already been over this. And I can't be bothered to argue in a post less forum, so whatever. Go along your fantasies but don't sprout them like crazy.
 
Why are we "probably" going to do a different era, Domination? Your constant insinuations that we should do a modern game are frankly tiresome and disingenuous.
 
Domination3000 said:
England, America, and France.

Not world wars.

And besides, 1 VS 1 or 2 VS 2 wars were more fun in general. I'd prefer to have to pay for DPs or something to make it happen less. That is, except in the modern era.

EDIT: In general back then big wars happened because many players had a common goal they wanted achieved. Not because they had a piece of paper telling them too.
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You're forgetting about Spain, Russia, Sweden...

Not to mention the fighting France and Britain and Spain carried out in India, the Indies (both east and west)...etc.
 
Cull said:
No that's pushing it IMO. No world wars at all?!?!
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No, it's just that if one were to occur, just like in real life, it would have very bad/far reaching consequences. The bad in this case might outweigh the good you might get from winning. ;)
 
Cull said:
Only the SYW, American Revolution, WWI, and WWII could be considered global wars. However, the American Revolution major battles were in the Caribbean and the Channel, while the Asian holdings and the thirteen colonies more of a minor sideshow. WWI was more so of European powers and their colonies, and can be considered a European war. SYW is the same as WWI. Napleonic wars the same.
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didn't you tell me just a few days ago that these wars before WWI and WWII do not qualify as world wars?
 
Arakhor said:
Why are we "probably" going to do a different era, Domination? Your constant insinuations that we should do a modern game are frankly tiresome and disingenuous.
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Frankly, my opinions have changed quite a bit on the issue. Personally I prefer modern still but its not as big of a deal to me as it was awhile ago when it was like "It CAN'T be IOT if its not modern." I no longer agree with that.

Also, different era =/= modern.

civplayah said:
We're probably going to keep it renaissance.
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Joecoolyo said if we restart (Which seems to be popular) a new era would be chosen. I was not guessing, I was basing it on what Joecoolyo said.
 
Domination3000 said:
Joecoolyo said if we restart (Which seems to be popular) a new era would be chosen. I was not guessing, I was basing it on what Joecoolyo said.
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I don't like your tone. Also, I was not guessing, either. I am a GM, therefore have access to the group. We haven't discussed it much, but Tailless brought up the idea of industrial theme, but I'd rather stick with Renaissance. I hasn't been discussed further than that.
 
civplayah said:
I don't like your tone. Also, I was not guessing, either. I am a GM, therefore have access to the group. We haven't discussed it much, but Tailless brought up the idea of industrial theme, but I'd rather stick with Renaissance. I hasn't been discussed further than that.
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First of all, online makes it tough to tell, so I'll forgive that first comment. I was not trying to be rude;)

Second of all, I agree with Taillesskangaru because IMO industrial would fix many problems and it would just be fun to play in the industrial revolution. And that aside, the main theme of the Renaissance was colonization which is impossible with half the world in the Americas, the industrial era wasn't so much and the inevitable mega-alliances would be a bit more realistic.
 
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