Iran about to get wiped from the pages of history

[Xenocrates]

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts01272007.html

The forthcoming war with Iran is so obvious that the writer uses the word gullible to describe the US media. Everyone around the World is discussing the war and how it can be stopped and what the repurcussions will be - everyone except Americans.

Prick up your ears; can you not hear the signs?

1) US appointed the wrong man as general. William J. Fallon is navy and therefore quite unsuitable for Iraq. His skills are said to be combined force blitzkreig attacks. Bush is obviously thinking ahead to the next war against Iran.

2) Bush's surge plan is demonstrably ludicrous. This means that it can only be meant as a distraction.

3) Two carrier groups off Iran's coast. Patriot missile systems shipped in.

4) Bush no longer talks of Al Qaeda, but instead of Iran.

5) Israel's war in Lebanon to attempt to prevent retaliation after US strike on Iran.

6) Operation desert strake.

7) The refusal to accept the Baker commission's report.

8) Massive propaganda against Iran. All devoid of evidence. It was the same with the Afghan and Iraq campaigns.

9)

Both Bush and Cheney have made it clear in public statements that they will ignore any congressional opposition to their war plans.
For example, CBS News reported (Jan. 25) that Cheney said that a congressional resolution against escalating the war in Iraq "won't stop us." According to the Associated Press and Yahoo News, Bush dismissed congressional disapproval with his statement, "I'm the decision-maker."

Prick up your ears; can you not hear the signs?

 

[CurtSibling]

Even though I despise Iran, America has not got the chops to take on Iran and Iraq...

That is the sad state of the 'sole superpower' in this day and age.

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[Pasi Nurminen]

The Project For a New American Century is falling apart around their ears. They can't even fight a war in Iraq, how do they expect to war against everyone who opposes US domination everywhere? They don't possess the resources to do it

This is the beginning of the end of the United States. In the not too distant future, they will fracture as a result of all this.

 

[jimbob27]

Interesting point Pasi. I wonder what would happen if state governors started announcing that they wanted independance from the united states.

 

[Tycoon101]

Interesting point Pasi. I wonder what would happen if state governors started announcing that they wanted independance from the united states.

Then the citizenry will blow the governers to shreds.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Then the citizenry will blow the governers to shreds.

I don't know, in some states the state is more important than the greater whole. I know for certain that if America was crumbling both abroad and at home, Texans (for example) would love an independent Republic of Texas.

 

[CurtSibling]

Then the citizenry will blow the governers to shreds.

The citizens will obey as usual.

I could see a lot of riots perhaps, but not a full on conflict.

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[Sidhe]

Even though I despise Iran, America has not got the chops to take on Iran and Iraq...

That is the sad state of the 'sole superpower' in this day and age.

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The US will be in for a world more pain is all I can say, the armies twice as large has more sophisticated weaponry the countries almost three times the size has mountains up the wing wang, not going to happen with the democrats controlling powers. Even GWB isn't that stupid. Oh no wait

 

[Tycoon101]

I don't know, in some states the state is more important than the greater whole. I know for certain that if America was crumbling both abroad and at home, Texans (for example) would love an independent Republic of Texas.

Fine, if the citizens want to break free then they may. I'm just saying that there will always be violent outbursts when someone threatens to break the country apart.

 

[silver 2039]

The US lacks the support among its citizens and political will for another war. If Bush starts a war in Iran he will get impeached the Democrats will then sweep to glourious victory come 2008. American may be capable of blowing Iran to hell but the American people are not willing to bear the cost of another war.

 

[REDY]

I am convicted on 99 percents that the attacks were planned in scenario Afghanistan-Iraq-Iran. But I think that opposition of rest of the world and Iraqi problems delayed it. Now I am not sure if it will be possible in Bushs term of office.

 

[VX250]

Iran has proven itself to be nothing but a troublemaker in the world theater, and does no good.

If it were to be wiped off the map, I'd say no great loss.

 

[Sidhe]

Iran has proven itself to be nothing but a troublemaker in the world theater, and does no good.

If it were to be wiped off the map, I'd say no great loss.

'tler!

 

[Xenocrates]

Another article in "business week" about the Iran war being a major interest in Davos:

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2007/gb20070124_382982.htm?chan=globalbiz_europe_economics+%2B+policy

Others offered subtler twists on the war theme. Banker Janahi posited a different scenario—that the U.S. doesn't attack. Instead, the Saudis dramatically lower the price of crude in order, said Janahi, "to bring the Iranians to their knees." (Iran's oil industry, being much less efficient than Saudi Arabia's, needs higher prices to sustain profits.) This outcome, said Janahi, would be troubling. The collateral damage to the region's economy from a Saudi oil play would be dramatic. The political fallout would be considerable too, as the Saudis would appear to be tools of U.S. policy.

It's about how Iran can be smashed, not if. And all this without a shred of evidence about either a nuclear weapons programme or helping Iraqi insurgents.

We can see this tragedy playing out before our eyes but there's zero any of us can do about it. So much for democracy.

And I don't think the Democrats will derail Bush's plans because the Iranians made them look silly back in '79 (the embassy incident) and there's one thing you can say about the Americans - they never forgive. Just ask Castro.

 

[CurtSibling]

Iran has proven itself to be nothing but a troublemaker in the world theater, and does no good.

If it were to be wiped off the map, I'd say no great loss.

Spoken like a true christian that values life...

Or perhaps a hypocrite.

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[VX250]

No need for personal attacks

I have nothing at all against Iranian civilians, their lives, as all lives, are valuable, but it is the extremist Iranian government that is a threat, and could potentially kill millions across the globe if they aren't soon taken care off.

 

[Solver]

On the one hand, only about 10% of US military active duty personnel are deployed in Iraq, IIRC. On the other hand, the US may well not have the resources to take on Iran. Iran is a bigger country with a more powerful military than Iraq had - and it is certain that the Iranian army and/or insurgents will also retaliate against US targets in Iraq, making that a bigger problem than it already is.

Looking at the official statements and the military manouvers, though, the situation is really similar to that about half a year before the Iraqi invasion. Refusal to officially rule out a military strike, lots of statements that Iran is evil and deployment of warships to the area.

I can't even begin to imagine the popular and congressional opposition to an invasion of Iran, though. If most people are against the Iraq war now, I suppose it means that even more people would be against starting a new war.

 

[VX250]

On the one hand, only about 10% of US military active duty personnel are deployed in Iraq, IIRC.

It's attitudes like that that infuriate me. US soldiers are real people, not expendable assets.

 

[Sidhe]

It's attitudes like that that infuriate me. US soldiers are real people, not expendable assets.

So are Iranians mein fuhrer

 

[Panda]

What Bush should do -

1. Drop Universal Suffrage and adopt Police State: +25% Military Unit production , -50% War Weariness! Plus, he already had the Mount Rushmore national wonder! WW won't be a problem even if he goes for Syria and Saudi-Arabia as well!

2. Screw Bureaucracy, get Nationhood; +2 happiness in all cities with barracks (which must be just about every important US city), plus he can draft a Mech Infantry division each turn!

3. Labour civics - now this is obvious. The South was great for a reason. Adopt Slavery and rush-build courthouses in Teheran!

4. Once mushroom clouds rise, nobody will want to trade with the US , so he might as well go for Mercantilism. One extra great specialist easily makes up for the lack of foreign trade routes!

5. Finally, stop that Free Religion nonsense - adopt Christianity as State Religion, and select Theocracy. Cities with churches get +1 happiness, it will stop the spreading of the most wicked of all faiths, Islam, and last but not least, it will give new US troops an extra +2XP, ie, a free promotion!