- Dec 30, 2000
- the golf course
and she swept the torture program under the rug
Both things can be done.Why grieve for that lying murderous POS and not for the thousands of victims of his lies?
Its a well known fact the Secretary of State exists to be the last person informed on anything dodgy, so the US can trot someone out to say "we have no knowledge of the plot we are accused of running".He was SecyofState and you think he didn't know they were framing Saddam? The British knew. The list of 'they' is very long, we just elected one of them. And I suspect he was involved in the torture program, his job was telling other countries what we needed from them so he would have known about black sites. Pelosi knew, and when she got the power in the House she swept it under the rug. Bush and Powell have atoned, Trump is the villain.
He was responsible, & later admitted he was responsible, & regretted it. All I'm saying is that he didn't know the information he was presenting was fabricated at the time he presented it. Others did. Others in that administration used him. And he bears that responsibility, & admitted as such later, & as I said, deeply regretted it. I just don't hold people who were lied to & used to the same standard as those who lied to them & used them.
That goes for many of the people in Congress who voted for the Authorization of Military Force, & also, the vast majority of the American people. They were lied to, by people who knew the truth & made up the lies, to achieve the result they wanted.
*Those* people - the originators of the lies - are war criminals. The ones who believed the lies, including Powell, most of Congress, & the American people, & acted upon or supported those lies, based on the information they were given at the time, I hold less accountable (though not blameless). The perpetrators of the lies, yes, I agree with you; the ones lied to, I disagree with you. But, I respect your opinion on the subject. I've said my piece, so I'll leave it at that.
The only universe in which it is and it should be normal is the "1984" novel.Oh don't worry. We'll all be savage trash to our grandchildren, should we do a good enough job that they're better than us.
Should because it is fitting the universe. In no normal society scolding your elders should be praised.Should, eh? I am on board with should.