Is Being Gay a Choice, Not a Choice, or both.

[Mandeville]

wouldn't what be proportionate?




Somebody to cry with when a parent dies. Somebody to have next to your deathbed to tell you you were worth something. All that basic human want and need jazz.

I think your beliefs are tied heavily into your own culture and society. And from what I've heard so far, there aren't that many gays in the world. So how many of them are Christian Americans that need someone on their death bed to tell them they were worth something?

 

[slip79]

That's only 2% of the population.

Yeah but it's probably only those that have CHOSEN to reveal that they are gay.
There are many many people worldwide who cannot let other people around them know that they are gay or bi.


I think it's genetics and isn't a choice. That's my opinion from my own personal experience.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Yeah but it's probably only those that have CHOSEN to reveal that they are gay.
There are many many people worldwide who cannot let other people around them know that they are gay or bi.


I think it's genetics and isn't a choice. That's my opinion from my own personal experience.

There is no gay gene. That is a complete myth. Homosexuality is not genetic.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Yeah but it's probably only those that have CHOSEN to reveal that they are gay.
There are many many people worldwide who cannot let other people around them know that they are gay or bi.

Oh, I'm just saying those numbers aren't very high, so I guess we agree.

I've heard anywhere up to 10% of people are homosexual.

And to be honest, I didn't know there was any legitimate debate over it being a choice, just that the causes aren't completely understood.

 

[The Yankee]

I think your beliefs are tied heavily into your own culture and society. And from what I've heard so far, there aren't that many gays in the world. So how many of them are Christian Americans that need someone on their death bed to tell them they were worth something?

Does it matter? Having someone to share a lifetime with is a powerful desire no matter who it is.

 

[Gilder]

Of course it's not a choice. You can't just switch from straight to gay. It doesn't work like that, or most of us would be bisexuals.

 

[Neomega]

I think your beliefs are tied heavily into your own culture and society. And from what I've heard so far, there aren't that many gays in the world. So how many of them are Christian Americans that need someone on their death bed to tell them they were worth something?

I am sorry, I am not following your logic at all.

I think it's genetics and isn't a choice. That's my opinion from my own personal experience.

Bill Richardson got lambasted for saying it may not be genetic... but:

Phobias are not necessarily genetic, yet people still have them, and have no choice about being afraid of things. I think one could liken fetishes and sexual preferences much the same way.

Some guys looooooove big breasts. They can't help themselves, but seeing a "AA" cup will not get them up.

 

[LucyDuke]

Sexual attraction isn't a choice. Acting on it is a choice.

 

[Babbler]

You can chose to have gay sex for whatever reason (i.e. money). Homosexual attraction is a tougher problem. It's probably a combination of genetics and conditions within the womb and the first years of life.

 

[GenMarshall]

You can chose to have gay sex for whatever reason (i.e. money). Homosexual attraction is a tougher problem. It's probably a combination of genetics and conditions within the womb and the first years of life.

I don't want to hear about situational gay (ie: prison gay, pay to be gay)

 

[slip79]

There is no gay gene. That is a complete myth. Homosexuality is not genetic.

Myth is too strong a word to use regarding genetics IMHO.
Do you know what every gene in the human genome does??
I sure as heck don't.

By saying genetic I meant that I do not believe being gay/striaght/bi/transgender/transsexaul to be a choice.
There has to be something inside a person, besides their thought processses, that makes them one of the above.
There are people who know they are gay when they are very young and have not yet been conditioned into thinking "straight is right and the only path you can take". How do you explain that?

 

[slip79]

I don't want to hear about situational gay (ie: prison gay, pay to be gay)

Just becuase you are raped or choose to have homosexual sex in prison, that does not always make you gay you know.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Myth is too strong a word to use regarding genetics IMHO.
Do you know what every gene in the human genome does??
I sure as heck don't.

By saying genetic I meant that I do not believe being gay/striaght/bi/transgender/transsexaul to be a choice.
There has to be something inside a person, besides their thought processses, that makes them one of the above.
There are people who know they are gay when they are very young and have not yet been conditioned into thinking "straight is right and the only path you can take". How do you explain that?

In experimental animals it’s been well established that the sexual differentiation of the body and brain results primarily from the influence of sex hormones secreted by the testes or ovaries (Arnold 2002). Males have high levels of testosterone in fetal life (after functional development of the testes) and around the time of birth, as well as at and after puberty. Females have low levels of all sex hormones in fetal life, and high levels of estrogens and progestagens starting at puberty. High prenatal testosterone levels organize the brain in a male-specific fashion; low levels testosterone permits it to organize in a female-specific fashion. Hormones at puberty activate the circuits laid down in prenatal life but do not fundamentally change them. Thus, the range of sexual behaviors that adult animals can show is determined in large part by their prenatal/perinatal hormone exposure—manipulating these hormone levels can lead to atypical sex behavior or preference for same-sex sex partners as well as a range of other gender-atypical characteristics.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1887219

 

[slip79]

Riiight... so quoting that makes you right how??

So hormones are the answer! According to you. Are not the initial levels of hormones one recieves controlled in part by the genetic material you may or may not have? Or that your parents genetics has?
Hormones can indeed be artifically produced and introduced into a subject. But does this prove or disprove the whole "myth" as you liked to call it?

It's one article about one study.
I'm sure if I did enough serious searching I could find one to back up my point of view.

The debate is definately not over in regards to genetics being or not being a part of the cause of being gay/striaght/bi/transgender/transsexual.

Let's agree to disagree on this one ay?

 

[Elta]

Some people are gay some are not. I highly doubt it's a choice. All of the gay people I know were gay since they were like 4 ..... trust me I know, I knew the same kids from pre school till graduation and I all ways knew who was gay and who wasn't - even if it was on a timmy acts like a girl level.


As for the question of whether there are more gay males or females. There are twice as many totally gay guys in America ( who admit it) then there are totally gay women ( who admit it ) There are a lot more women however who claim to be "slightly bisexual" my source is a book called "micro trends" and it is a fairly new book.

The stats were used in an article talking about how there is a shortage of straight men to women and that it is hard for women to find a husband.......


I say make with quick visas and send in the Chinamen*


*the shortage of girls in China ..... get it?
Seriously I am not oppose to the idea of more Chinese guys getting Visas on these grounds

 

[West 36]

Born that way, from what I know. And of course they will act on it, because thats the way they feel, unless they're being repressed.

 

[D0NIMATRIX]

I don't think anybody can say anything about whether or not there is or isn't a gay gene. Unless either of you has a sequenced genome lying around, we can never know. All we can do is reason and argue, and predict the results.

 

[.Shane.]

I'd say that people who are gay do not see it as a conscious choice. And that's all that matters. Given all the s**t gay people go through the idea that someone would choose that is ridiculous.

Now, as I said, I don't think they see it as a conscious choice. So, for some gay people it may be they were "born" that way and for others it may be that experiences in their early, early development pointed them in that direction.

 

[Xyan]

Only gays can answer that question... Opinions of others are not valid.

 

[holy king]

That study would be rediculous considering the amount of homosexuals in the world.

i think to remember it is considered that about 10 percent of a mammal population are homosexuals, so...