Is it wrong to pirate a game you own 2 copies of?

If you think piracy is wrong, don't pirate software/music/whatever.

If you don't think piracy is wrong, pirate away. There may be consequences in your jurisdiction if you're caught, but you're the best judge of whether you're comfortable with the consequences and/or the risks of getting caught.

I've seen this conversation several dozen times in the last decade, and it never gets resolved. Few are the people who change their worldview based on some online repartee from a stranger.
 
i think, from a legal perspective, as long as you can prove that you bought the game, then there is no issue with downloading a pirate version. Ive done it before. My doom 2 disk packed in a while ago so i downloaded it off of a bit torrent. Ive also done the same thing for games where ive lost the cd key.
 
I think legal or illegal should not be the only motivator of someones actions.
The law are just rules written by normal people, most of the time there even is no unanimity when they vote for the law. So why is such a rule more important then other 'rules' (for exemple you don't cut lines).
There are tons of exemples of 'bad' laws or things that are 'bad' and are still allowed under current law. (ofcourse everyone has his own definition of bad).
 
Stealing is stealing, plain and simple; and by stealing, you deprive another of something that is rightfully theirs. It doesn't matter if it is intellectual property, money, or personal items, you have still ripped someone off.
 
Stealing is stealing, plain and simple; and by stealing, you deprive another of something that is rightfully theirs. It doesn't matter if it is intellectual property, money, or personal items, you have still ripped someone off.

That's a bit of an oversimplification.

For example, "rightfully theirs" is a term that's open to a LOT of interpretation. The jurisdiction I live in charges a levy on blank electronic media, purportedly to cover losses due to copying. If I've already paid a fee to cover copying, I should be able to copy freely.

As far as "stealing is stealing", please clarify when I've committed theft:

- When I photocopy a favourite poem from a book?
- When I watch a movie on Blu-Ray that I've borrowed from a friend?
- When I take a picture of a sculpture in a museum?
etc.

CDs cost pennies (mechanically) to make. Audio cassettes cost substantially more to make. And yet, CDs are more expensive than audio cassettes ever were. Why is that? Aren't consumers being "ripped off"?

Fair use rights are under attack everywhere. It's ludicrous that some expect purchasers of CD audio to pay a second fee to listen on an MP3 player, for example. IMO, it's equally ludicrous to expect someone who has already paid for software to pay again, if the disk becomes damaged.


Anyway, some food for thought. Not that I expect you to change your mind, or anything. ;)
 
Is it wrong to pirate games?
That depends on what you consider to be right and wrong.
morality varies between people and cultures and there is no absoute morality (to my knowledge).
So what is right/wrong to you is what you believe to be right/wrong, or what your culture tells you is right or wrong.
Many people (in this forum even) fall back on the law or a religion to tell them what is right or wrong.
In my opinion such people are afraid to face life without preconceived notions and fixed ideals to protect them from the burden of thinking for themselves and the responsibility of moral agency.

I personally don't care for many of the laws of my country, and I've tried my best to dispose of formal religion from my life too. I believe what is 'right' is whatever you want and can get away with. I believe pirating is right if you have the power to do it and no conscience that will pester u with guilt afterwards (but your conscience is not always under your conscious control, which is a problem). I suppose some people feel that consideration for others should be a factor in morality... but i dont have a very good opinion of people in general or in particular.

Someone asked me earlier if I would kill under order: the answer is yes. There's a famous (for the field) psychological study out there that suggests that people will do anything an authority figure tells them to do, especially murder (u can look up 'Milgram experiment' if u want to learn about it). Besides that, there are many people I want to murder personally, and I would if I could get away with it. I like to think i would be capable of murdering a stranger in cold blood if i had the opprotunity, but as of yet that is only an unfulfilled primal fantasy.

Actually, part of the reason I play civilization is that it lets me act out some of my skewed morals and aggressive impulses on a larger scale and in a consequence-free environment. Is it right or wrong to genocide a race of peope? Well that doesn't matter, because you have to do it many times to reach the conquest victory condition.

Here's a moral question right back at you, whoever it was who asked me if I would like to be a murderer (yes!): is it right to pay money for a game that allows u to exterminate all the jews??? Why would u play a war game if you dont like murder?

Ah, but maybe youre one of those softies who plays this game for peaceful culture 'victories'
 
Is it wrong to pirate games?
That depends on what you consider to be right and wrong.
morality varies between people and cultures and there is no absoute morality (to my knowledge).
So what is right/wrong to you is what you believe to be right/wrong, or what your culture tells you is right or wrong.
Many people (in this forum even) fall back on the law or a religion to tell them what is right or wrong.
In my opinion such people are afraid to face life without preconceived notions and fixed ideals to protect them from the burden of thinking for themselves and the responsibility of moral agency.

I personally don't care for many of the laws of my country, and I've tried my best to dispose of formal religion from my life too. I believe what is 'right' is whatever you want and can get away with. I believe pirating is right if you have the power to do it and no conscience that will pester u with guilt afterwards (but your conscience is not always under your conscious control, which is a problem). I suppose some people feel that consideration for others should be a factor in morality... but i dont have a very good opinion of people in general or in particular.

Someone asked me earlier if I would kill under order: the answer is yes. There's a famous (for the field) psychological study out there that suggests that people will do anything an authority figure tells them to do, especially murder (u can look up 'Milgram experiment' if u want to learn about it). Besides that, there are many people I want to murder personally, and I would if I could get away with it. I like to think i would be capable of murdering a stranger in cold blood if i had the opprotunity, but as of yet that is only an unfulfilled primal fantasy.

Actually, part of the reason I play civilization is that it lets me act out some of my skewed morals and aggressive impulses on a larger scale and in a consequence-free environment. Is it right or wrong to genocide a race of peope? Well that doesn't matter, because you have to do it many times to reach the conquest victory condition.

Here's a moral question right back at you, whoever it was who asked me if I would like to be a murderer (yes!): is it right to pay money for a game that allows u to exterminate all the jews??? Why would u play a war game if you dont like murder?

Ah, but maybe youre one of those softies who plays this game for peaceful culture 'victories'

Seek mental help dude.
 
It's not a simplification, it's really a conclusion. It seems a bit silly to try to open someone's mind on a principle they learned from infancy.

Are you saying that people are unable to shed beliefs that they picked up in early life, or "infancy"?

If so, that's a pretty scary thought, considering that state of the educational system in most countries.
 
That's a bit of an oversimplification.

For example, "rightfully theirs" is a term that's open to a LOT of interpretation. The jurisdiction I live in charges a levy on blank electronic media, purportedly to cover losses due to copying. If I've already paid a fee to cover copying, I should be able to copy freely.

As far as "stealing is stealing", please clarify when I've committed theft:

- When I photocopy a favourite poem from a book?
- When I watch a movie on Blu-Ray that I've borrowed from a friend?
- When I take a picture of a sculpture in a museum?
etc.

CDs cost pennies (mechanically) to make. Audio cassettes cost substantially more to make. And yet, CDs are more expensive than audio cassettes ever were. Why is that? Aren't consumers being "ripped off"?

Fair use rights are under attack everywhere. It's ludicrous that some expect purchasers of CD audio to pay a second fee to listen on an MP3 player, for example. IMO, it's equally ludicrous to expect someone who has already paid for software to pay again, if the disk becomes damaged.


Anyway, some food for thought. Not that I expect you to change your mind, or anything. ;)
You'll get no argument from me on any of those points, 6K. ;)

My generalization referenced the term of "piracy", and I should have been more clear. I agree with you. I pay the levy too, and I also feel that the consumer is being ripped off. Badly, I might add. The words "financial rape" come to mind, though I hate to use the term.

The idea of replacing the damaged media that you already paid for isn't stealing, as far as I am concerned. You paid for the item, and the right to use it. What I object to is the notion that if one buys a CD or piece of software, that it's perfectly ok to make copies for your friends, or to download a torrent of the software that you want, and not buy it. If you do that, then you are depriving someone, or a company, of income that they would normally receive if you or your friends paid for your copies of the item.

There are some gray ares, certainly. In Canada, where I live, it's apparently not acceptable to record television programming. Um... I can buy a VCR/DVR if I want to, legally, and my cable company handed me a nice shiny DVR when they hooked us up??? I pay the levy on recordable media, so I have a right to copy my CDs over to my MP3 player, and I don't care what the RIAA says. By their definition, I can't even play music at a party! I have a right to use my music for personal use in any format that I wish to (so says me, anyway), but I also won't burn a CD for someone that is too cheap to buy the CD for themselves. It's mine, buy your own.

I completely believe in fair use, and I won't have an item that I have paid for be restricted in the way that I use it. I don't care what the powers that be think of that one. On the other side of the coin, my partner and I have a thing about all of our software being legal or open source. We have five computers and a server, and each has a legal OS and licenses, and a legal copy of the software that runs on them. We wouldn't have it any other way, but if I lose or scratch my MS Office disk, for example, you're darn right I'm going to get a copy from somewhere as a replacement to reinstall with my legal key, if necessary.

My grumble isn't with the regular type pf person who loans a Blu-Ray disk, or copies songs to his/her iPod, it's some of the people in this thread suggesting that piracy is perfectly ok, and acceptable depending on your moral code. I don't care what a person's moral code is, or what their "interpretation" of the law might be. Using software that you haven't paid for is wrong, and so is sharing it with someone who hasn't paid for it. In most jurisdictions it's a crime, and it's no different than breaking into someone's house and looting their CD collection.

I guess I'm just a stuffy old lady, but what's wrong is wrong.
 
I've been having problems with patching D2D version of Civ4 BTS on my windows 7 computer and I asked a friend about what to do, he said that if I pirated it, there's a very good chance that it would work. (His does and he's got the same windows 7U that I do) I already own 2 copies of Civ4 and 1 copy of BTS and warlords.

Would you say it's okay to pirate or torrent or should I not even bother asking?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=384679 - My thread on the Tech&Support.

I had to resort to this as well. It worked fine. I think it is 100% justified. Their idiotic product wouldn't work. But I did pay for it... Why should I spend hours hassling their tech support (if they have any) when I can fix it myself?
 
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