Is the Heroic Epic really working?

[Frostyboy]

Through all my games in Civ III (and I have played for a while), Leaders appears to be rarer _after_ building the Heroic Epic.

I know the odds should be 1/12 instead of 1/16 for an attack vs a non-barbarian.

I play mostly militaristic, so I usually have lots of Elite candidates. Once, when loading the turn from autosave again, I got a leader almost immediately, even though I do play with "preserve random seed", which should make the outcome the same.

From others, I have heard also that the HE doesn't seem to give them any better odds.

What are your experience on this?

 

[Hyronymus]

I can safely say I very rarely get a military leader after building the heroic epic. I always start building it as soon as I have 1 victorious army but I'm almost always stuck with the amount of leaders I had before the Heroic Epic. In my opinion Firaxis should either tweak the Heroic Epic or drop it.

 

[chunkymonkey]

I think it does work.

Usually it takes me about 1/2 the game ~ 30 elite battles to get a leader. After building the Epic, I usually get another 2 or 3 leaders after another 30 elite battles.

I don't always get more leaders, but I think the odds are definitely reduced.

 

[thetrooper]

Never thought about it. It is working. I've been here for almost a year now and never heard that it doesn't work.

You just need to kill more units

 

[Rambuchan]

I've wondered about this too. Nearly every game I build this small wonder and nearly every game I consider whether I've stunted my chances of getting a leader. By the time this wonder gets built there are far more troops out there, far more elites getting victories and I yet I don't seem to get more leaders. There is certainly no tangible rise in the frequency of leaders appearing. There have often been games where I just haven't bothered building it cos the influence it makes is so vague and questionable.

 

[Tomoyo]

Never questioned it. The leader faucet has always tapped on after the HE for me.

 

[Aegis]

Before the small wonder, it is a painful process to get a single leader. After the small wonder, there is a nice little stream of GL's/ =o)

 

[tjedge1]

I usually get a steady flow of leaders once I build the HE. Before hand it sometimes takes a while to get the first one. Once I build it though, sometimes they pop up quickly and frequently when I'm fighting a lot in one turn.

 

[namliaM]

I allways have problems getting leader(s) they never seem to come

In my last game I wiped out an entire civ (8 or so city's, all with multiple defenders) with all elite "ancient cavs" from the SoZ. I had a barb camp north which i used to upgrade them from vets to elite .
I did atleast 30 or so victorious battles, without the single leader

I am starting to think you cant get a leader from the "wonder units"?

Greetz

 

[Drakan]

HE works just fine, at leat in C3C v.1.22

 

[chunkymonkey]

I am starting to think you cant get a leader from the "wonder units"?

Nah, I got a leader with an ancient cav just the other day

 

[Mordack]

I notice a marked increase in leaders after building HE

got three in one turn recently

 

[namliaM]

Nah, I got a leader with an ancient cav just the other day

Must be my string of bad luck i am having lately Both in civ and in real live

 

[island007]

HE works fine.

You may want to make sure you have no current leaders. You can have niether a military or a scientific leader.

 

[StavrosMelb]

To be honest, I never really noticed if this made much of an effect for me -- I'll build the HE for culture points anyway

Perhaps the odds aren't so significant because by the time you get it, you've already got a few armies and tend to attack more often with them and even fill the armies up with elite units?

 

[namliaM]

Can you unload (outdated/elite) units from an army ?
Can you upgrade units in an army?

Greetz

 

[TimBentley]

No. No.

 

[Frostyboy]

I play the Germans now, and got 2 leaders before HE, and didn't seem to get one after until I reloaded and replayed a turn where the Preserve Random Seed were supposed to work. For me I usually am luckier before HE than after, but it's all random.

Is there any kind of rules regarding how many leaders you can get within a certain amount of time?

 

[Bagatur]

If u replay the battles(bombardment laso) in different order, results may vary even with Random seed on. Thats why why I found it useless. U may predict results and choose which unit to sacrifice if u have bad odds(speaking for save/loads recorded in SAV file).

As for HE, Its hard to say, bcs more of ppl(I guess) do like me - bulid HE with 2nd or 3rd leader which appears. In my games I find most hard to get first two leaders - for 1st army and for HE. After this, game is usually lots and lots easier. I DO think HE works.

 

[GorfTheWanderer]

I don't know about the HE when attacking with a militaristic civ but I know it helps with one that is not... I always have a lot more GLs appear after I build.... of course that is usually very late in the game for my for the 1st one usually goes to the FP and sometimes the second goes to relocating the palace to a more central location.... (I hate starting right on the coast if I'm not a seafairing civ)