Once again missing my point completely - on purpose. The game that you brought up as a prime exapmle for how insanely bugged games in those times were had four bugs. Bugs that hardly ever mattered because the game was never really intended to be finished. All four bugs were fixable by official pokes and were corrected in newer release versions. So after fixing the game was free of any bugs. There simply were none, zip, zero. Not quite sure how hard this is to get. Today games are released in beta status and usually have fourhundered bugs - and only the most important and severe are ever fixed. The fuzz you are making about the game beiing "impossible to finish" is a non-issue, it's pointless semantics. Not quite sure what you're trying to prove...
Is there still people playing civ 4?
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Once again missing my point completely - on purpose. The game that you brought up as a prime exapmle for how insanely bugged games in those times were had four bugs. Bugs that hardly ever mattered because the game was never really intended to be finished. All four bugs were fixable by official pokes and were corrected in newer release versions. So after fixing the game was free of any bugs. There simply were none, zip, zero. Not quite sure how hard this is to get. Today games are released in beta status and usually have fourhundered bugs - and only the most important and severe are ever fixed. The fuzz you are making about the game beiing "impossible to finish" is a non-issue, it's pointless semantics. Not quite sure what you're trying to prove...
Pangaea
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This very game, as TMIT keeps telling us, is a good example of the direction the industry has taken. Despite 2 expansions and numerous patches, there are still bugs in the game, quite serious and basic ones. Publishers and developers are simply much more eager to get it out asap instead of fixing it up properly, as games development has become kind of like mass production. And then they try to squeeze more money out of people (or their beta testers) by coming up with crap ideas like Pay to Win, micro transactions, DLC, and whatever else they have up their sleeves these days. The whole industry was more honest and pure back in the day, for lack of better terms, where the prime goal was to make great games. Now bottom-line thinking rules the day, and game quality is secondary. We see this well-reflected in all the Kickstarter campaigns, and how excited game developers are when the campaigns succeed and they can make games with passion again. Just to take the most recent (ongoing) success story, the spiritual successor to Planescape Torment wanted $900,000, and it got funded in 6 hours(!). Now on the second day they have over 2 million. All the zillion COD-clones still sell like crazy, but there is a lesson here, and it is that people are interested in more than just the "safe bets", and a sizeable minority have had it up to their eyebrows with DRM and all the other ways gamers get screwed these days.
You've just made that up. Other 8-bit developers released similarly large games (Citadel springs to mind) that were intended to be finished. How can you tell if JSW was intended to be finished? They didn't even test the release version enough to _get to_ the problematic rooms - and you sit there blandly telling me that QA was better then.
You lot really do have a terrible case of rose-tinted glasses. The first rape-themed game came out in 1982. "Honest and pure"?
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
I have found only one absolutely no-game breaking (minor) glitch in Mario Bros 
It's when You jump over the flag You can't finish the level but then the timer runs out and You are back on track so sure I still believe QA was better back in the day 
Nowdays most games are crawling with bugs when released) I think Damerell is desperatly trying to protect his point of view but I don't mind 
Now ... where are my pink tinted glasses .... hmmm oh here they are ^^ It's time once again to venture into my fantasy world and play more Civ 4 yaaay I've been so excited that I've almost forgot to rub my BTS dvd in my face - btw. don't You just love the smell of freshly opened game box ? ^^ (one of many privileges that steam users will never have hehe ) Btw 2. what's with the rape-theme ? Many "Sherlock Holmes" kind adventure games oldies had murder cases for example and nobody made a fuss over that (not to mention horror/thriller games like "I have no mouth and I must scream") I think You misunderstood Pangea there by honest and pure he meant that developers were honest toward gamers
It's when You jump over the flag You can't finish the level but then the timer runs out and You are back on track so sure I still believe QA was better back in the day Nowdays most games are crawling with bugs when released) I think Damerell is desperatly trying to protect his point of view but I don't mind Now ... where are my pink tinted glasses .... hmmm oh here they are ^^ It's time once again to venture into my fantasy world and play more Civ 4 yaaay I've been so excited that I've almost forgot to rub my BTS dvd in my face - btw. don't You just love the smell of freshly opened game box ? ^^ (one of many privileges that steam users will never have hehe ) Btw 2. what's with the rape-theme ? Many "Sherlock Holmes" kind adventure games oldies had murder cases for example and nobody made a fuss over that (not to mention horror/thriller games like "I have no mouth and I must scream") I think You misunderstood Pangea there by honest and pure he meant that developers were honest toward gamers You guys that think old games aren't buggy pieces of junk are completely ignorant of the way software is and are wearing nostalgia glasses.
I was playing Civ 4 a week ago. Then I bought Civ 5 in a Steam sale last week and I don't think I'll ever go back to 4. Civ 5 actually makes you make many choices with different ways of how to advance yourself with. Civ 4 just fell into an obvious spam good cities and get gold income as high as possible decision.
I was playing Civ 4 a week ago. Then I bought Civ 5 in a Steam sale last week and I don't think I'll ever go back to 4. Civ 5 actually makes you make many choices with different ways of how to advance yourself with. Civ 4 just fell into an obvious spam good cities and get gold income as high as possible decision.
Ghpstage
Deity
I'm guessing you never went above noble in civ 4. To be honest I question if you even made it that far with that comment about gold income as its hilariously wrong.
What makes it even funnier is that combined with ICS having a high gold income was the only thing you had to do in civ 5 to win at high level on release (i.e. spam trading posts)!
Even now Civ 4 has far more viable options for empire development than 5.
True, I don't play the game to beat a cheating AI in very gamey ways.
Ghpstage
Deity
Yet you felt the need to target parts of the game that you didn't understand in order to criticise civ 4?
AIs advantages aren't 'cheats', they are handicaps to offset the players 'cheat' of having a functioning brain. Being able to think alone allows people to play and win at Monarch and Emperor without relying on 'gamey' things, its only at Immortal and Deity that abusing mechanics becomes a necessity.
Surely you don't stick to Chieftain on civ 5 due to the fact the AI gets a massive happiness advantage on anything higher?
Don't get me wrong, I still think Civ 4 is a great game. I've just found Civ 5 really underrated by Civ fans and is really quite interesting to play.
Drakarska
Epic Dadness
Well, your certainly entitled to your opinion. But when my 13yr old can beat it on Mon, and then comes back to me and says "dad, this is boring and winning is always the same way, I want to go back to Civ IV". Then I really don't consider it underrated, and uninteresting to play. Just my opinion
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Wow I you lucky that I... well I can't discuss mod actions
But the civ 5 forum has a hardcore fanbase and maybe you should shut up a bit and stop insulting other people.
One could use the same logic for your post. Why are you so confrontational? You've made an number of angry/volatile posts lately. If you have an argument to present, then try to do it constructively. Being cross with everyone doesn't help your point.
I've played Civ5 for 73 hours, 13 of them being G&K in december. I can't justify giving it even more playtime when I simply don't find it fun to play.
Personally I've stopped complaining about Civ5 lacking depth. I realize that at the moment I don't know the game well enough to comment on that. I don't even know if I would be able to beat Immortal now (emperor still seems easy).
I still don't manage to have any fun playing Civ5. I get turned off by so many things before I even get really into it. The sound is horrible(both music and effects), parts of the graphics are annoying (from the movement animation with quick movement turned on to the graphics that highlights your selected unit). The UI is a mess with lots of long boring lists and the game is so extremely slow. Combat is a chore (I actually want auto-military the way I can get auto-workers). I just don't see whats supposed to be fun and interesting. I don't see whats important. And I feel expansion is boring as f'ck. So much room to expand in so there's never a rush to grab land. And of course, I only end up with some puppet cities which I don't get to control anyway. In the end, I don't see what fun mechanics I can play with. I don't see where the depth is.
What I need is a good Let's play video of G&K at Immortal/deity level, but I haven't found any.
Am I underrating the game? I realize a lot of people like it, but when I just don't get any fun out of it myself, should I just pretend I like it?
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
Aye mate , You should really listen to Lemon because she really knows what she is talking about
She's the specialist for real Well to be honest I thought Jerry man was only trying to provoke Civ 4 fans but maybe it's natural reaction to fear -> aggresion
so ... fear us ... muahahaha j/k ofc
Listen to Lemon mate
Jerman
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Okay you have a point.
The guy can't insult another games fanbase as "Newcomers" because he doesn't like it. What if someone who didn't like civ 4 insulted you for being a fan of it(not me I love civ 4).
Not when I woke up this morning. Specialist? Me?Aye mate , You should really listen to Lemon because she really knows what she is talking about
Better. And I agree with you. Not everyone in the Civ5 forums is a newcomer. Anyone who has been here a while can look at the forum user names and see that there are plenty of "old timers" playing Civ5. I don't see the point of insulting anyone over what game they like to play, as everyone has different tastes. That goes for both sides of the argument. Personally, I dislike Civ5 and feel duped by the actions of Firaxis and 2K Games, but it's no one's fault on the Civ5 forums, it's my own for believing the hype. Admittedly, I don't like being criticized for my stance on the issue, as it's my personal opinion and I'm entitled to it, but we shouldn't just apply a broad generalization to anyone that likes or doesn't like Civ5.
You like Civ5? Great. You don't? Also great. There's no sense beating each other up over some pixels on a screen and some code. That goes for me, you, and everyone else on the forums.
Now go to your rooms.
Drakarska
Epic Dadness
What? No cookie 1st? well nutz!
JanghanHong
Enrico Trololo
I don't think I've ever met a group of people who held so much disdain for newcomers to the franchise who will eventually come around to appreciate previous versions of the game.
You can judge a game by the type of fans it attracts. I have CiV in my parent's house computer since it used to be my old one. I spent so much time making maps in CiV that I played one of my old custom scenarios. But I had to quit after a few dozen turns. I wasn't thinking about the effort I put into the maps, I wasn't comparing CiV to CIV5, all I could ever think is that there were people whose imagination and sense of wonder stopped with this game 8 years ago.
Also, the graphic design of the game compared to CIV5 is simply awful. I can't believe I didn't realize how ugly this game is.
You can judge a game by the type of fans it attracts. I have CiV in my parent's house computer since it used to be my old one. I spent so much time making maps in CiV that I played one of my old custom scenarios. But I had to quit after a few dozen turns. I wasn't thinking about the effort I put into the maps, I wasn't comparing CiV to CIV5, all I could ever think is that there were people whose imagination and sense of wonder stopped with this game 8 years ago.
Also, the graphic design of the game compared to CIV5 is simply awful. I can't believe I didn't realize how ugly this game is.
It may just be me, but apart from the quoted bit I'm not getting what you are trying to tell us. Regarding graphics though, I personally find Civ 4's dynamic graphics miles better than Civ 5's boring static graphics, which become a cluttered mess by all those strange coloured circles and icons cluttering the map. Not to mention the appalling UI design.
