Is this the last expansion for Civilization IV?!?!

[dutchking]

We must distinguish between new features and new content.

New content (civilizations, units, buildings) can easily be created by fans.

New features (Great Generals, Vassals, Corporations and such) are difficult to create by modding.

Therefore, the new features are the most valuable part of an expansion pack.

I guess thats true as well.

 

[RogueFighter]

If this is the last one, then that means that maybe... CIV 5 WILL COME SOONER!!!

 

[dutchking]

If this is the last one, then that means that maybe... CIV 5 WILL COME SOONER!!!

I honestly can't picture what Civ 5 will look like.

 

[ohcrapitsnico]

I really hope civ 5 doesn't come until 2010 because that doesn't leave me anyreal time to enjoy civ 4 and make good mods. Please firaxis just hold your selves until then...

 

[Onagan]

I totally agree with ohcrapitsnico. Civ 5 not before '10

 

[Horizons]

We must distinguish between new features and new content.

New content (civilizations, units, buildings) can easily be created by fans.

New features (Great Generals, Vassals, Corporations and such) are difficult to create by modding.

Therefore, the new features are the most valuable part of an expansion pack.

Good lord, no, please no! 'Fan-created' Civ4 leaderheads and civs have almost all so far been DESPERATELY POOR in comparison to professionally-made Firaxis artwork.

As for user-made mods, I do NOT want to be loading up half a dozen partially-tested mods by half a dozen different amateur mod-makers.

The one and only exception is in the case of scenarios and so far I don't see any notable fan-made scenarios at all.

 

[qwert]

If they are going to make a good civ V, i hope it comes out as soon as posible or my today totally new computer will be unable to make it work, and i hope that this one lasts at least 6 more years.

 

[Bongo-Bongo]

I honestly can't see there being another expansion pack. One of the major selling points of each expansion is the addition of new civilizations, and looking at the current set of civs, and the ones we know are coming in BTS, I really don't think there are any left that are likely to be a major draw. The civs we have now are some of the most imporatant and/or famous in history. Are there really any others left that are likely to help shift units that the Celts, Dutch, Vikings, Babylonians and Ottomans can?

 

[dutchking]

May I ask someone what they picture Civ V may look like?

 

[Vrenir]

In CivIV, the addition of new leaders with each expansion has been very important, as it has so far proved impossible for modders to create new leader models and animations that work correctly. Every time a new leader debuts, it opens up a new template (that hopefully works better for some added leader ideas than what was previously available). For instance, I'm thinking that a good Nebuchadnezzar might be a recolored Justinian with Hammurabi's hat. A good Vicinterix of the Celts might be a recolored Justinian with a painted-in beard. Sulieman provides a great hat alternative that can hopefully be applied to multiple leaderheads, and the inclusion of Hammurabi and Gilgamesh may spell the end of every middle-eastern leader looking like Cyrus with a different colored robe. I also have high hopes for Bodicea as Dido of Carthage or Cleopatra, but who knows.

 

[dutchking]

In CivIV, the addition of new leaders with each expansion has been very important, as it has so far proved impossible for modders to create new leader models and animations that work correctly. Every time a new leader debuts, it opens up a new template (that hopefully works better for some added leader ideas than what was previously available). For instance, I'm thinking that a good Nebuchadnezzar might be a recolored Justinian with Hammurabi's hat. A good Vicinterix of the Celts might be a recolored Justinian with a painted-in beard. Sulieman provides a great hat alternative that can hopefully be applied to multiple leaderheads, and the inclusion of Hammurabi and Gilgamesh may spell the end of every middle-eastern leader looking like Cyrus with a different colored robe. I also have high hopes for Bodicea as Dido of Carthage or Cleopatra, but who knows.

Yea, I guess thats cool. But im on a mac so I can't run the SDK!
So someone make some jerk-ish comments so we can have some arguements!

 

[Saim]

I honestly can't see there being another expansion pack. One of the major selling points of each expansion is the addition of new civilizations, and looking at the current set of civs, and the ones we know are coming in BTS, I really don't think there are any left that are likely to be a major draw. The civs we have now are some of the most imporatant and/or famous in history. Are there really any others left that are likely to help shift units that the Celts, Dutch, Vikings, Babylonians and Ottomans can?

Abyssinia
Moors
Hawai'i
Maori
Austria
Khmer
Siam
Vietnam

Plus, there's still plenty of new leaders for existing civs to be added.

 

[sniprpenguin]

I personally think that, considering Sid Meier's semi-reluctance to make new games and instead remake older games, Civ IV will be the final one...ever...

Until the remake.

As for BtS...it will be the final expansion for Civ IV. Even the entire fan community can only come up with a few new features to the gameplay, and those only make it more technical. Firaxis is not trying to go down that path.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

Under the assumption that BtS will be "good" (by what yardstick ever), I see the next evolution step being quantifiable ressources, as the companies seem to indicate this.

Now you really have my attention! Where have you heard hints of this?

 

[The Navy Seal]

Civ 5 year 300,000,000AD.

 

[Gyathaar]

Personally I would rather see a 'civ-like' game like Colonization 2, Alpha Centauri 2 or Master of Magic 2 first instead of Civ5 (Civ5 can wait for a few more years )

 

[dutchking]

I personally think that, considering Sid Meier's semi-reluctance to make new games and instead remake older games, Civ IV will be the final one...ever...

I'd be sad if this were the last civ! Maybe civ V will come out when they invent the technology where you can reach out and pull on the leaders beard and stuff, or have fistfights with Isabella!

 

[sniprpenguin]

Personally I would rather see a 'civ-like' game like Colonization 2, Alpha Centauri 2 or Master of Magic 2 first instead of Civ5 (Civ5 can wait for a few more years )

How 'bout Railroads! 2?

 

[10lire]

1991: Sid Meier's Civilization

1996: Sid Meier's Civilization II

2001: Sid Meier's Civilization III
- 2002: Play the world
- 2003: Conquests

2005: Sid Meier's Civilization IV
- 2006: Warlords
- 2007: Beyond the sword

This timeline makes me thinking that Civ5 will not be released until 2009/2010..
However i hope this will happen later than possible: Civ4 is a great game and i really enjoy with it; abandon it (even if for a "greater" game like civ5) would be very sad for me (this is what happened when i was playing C3C and Civ4 was announced).
This DOESN'T mean that i hope Firaxis will release another expansion pack (instead of a new civ game), unless very cheap or free (for registered customers or something similar..): it's very irritating that Civ4 was released with a smaller number of civs than in C3C (only 18 when C3C had 31), a smaller number of units (65, not counting GP, Missionaries and Animals, when C3C had 90 (!), not counting Kings, Princesses and Great Leaders) and so on.. It was clear that Firaxis scheduled to introduce new contents/features in a future expansion packs; and these are C4W and BTS. But a large part of these contents/features are 'new' only for players those never played previous Civ games! What is new in the Trebuchet or in the Portuguese civilization?

 

[10lire]

Oh no, the number of units is not THE ONLY factor and, i repeat, Civ4 is a great game!
My point is that a large number of the new contents/features of C4W/BTS could be implemented in Vanilla Civ4.
I think Firaxis/2K has intentionally released a "poorer" vanilla civ game and then a "very rich" expansions.
I prefer a "rich" vanilla civ game and a small, cheap (or free downloadable) expansion pack containing the rest of the new contents/features (REALLY new, like the unique buildings..).