Is War Really the Right Word?

Håkan Eriksson

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The rhetorical use of the word war is familiar and powerful. The war on poverty. The war on cancer. The war on drugs. But the literal use of the word war — as President Bush has been using it, as well as the media — is something we're not used to. It's almost too strong, too raw, too primal.

But the President's use of the word war is rhetorical as well, although he would probably choose to disagree with that assertion. For the war of which he is speaking is not World War or Vietnam or "Saving Private Ryan" — struggles that we understand and that he seems to be talking about. It is not war in any traditional sense.

For terrorism is war by other means. As many have noted, terrorism is not an enemy with a border or a government or an air force. Terrorism is not an army, but armed propaganda. It is not about force, but a show of force. It is not about mass destruction, but the destruction of will and spirit.

What concerns me is that President Bush may have set the bar too high, and that he is talking about war in the conventional sense, not in the 21st century vocabulary of Osama bin Laden. Generals always fight the last war, as the saying goes, and if we conduct this fight against terrorism as though it were the Gulf War revisited, we will be greatly frustrated.

The president's formulation of this war as a fight between good and evil is not only too simplistic but potentially injurious to ourselves. There is a large percentage of the planet who think of the U.S. as something other than a beacon of goodness, and more like a source of maleficence.

These are not people who would pilot a plane into a building, but they are people who will see the U.S.'s crusade against terrorism as something less than righteous. If we are truly to defeat terrorism, we must convert those people around the world to the idea that America is indeed a force for good. No one is born a terrorist; they are created and then bred. Only when we eliminate the breeding grounds of terrorism will we defeat it.

Terrorism is not about defeating us in any conventional sense, but in undermining our way of life. We are defeated if we distort the nature and the values of American life in order to combat terrorism. We are not a society based on geography, or religion, or a common heritage, but on an idea — the idea of freedom and liberty. It is that idea — and that reality — that terrorism seeks to undermine.

Thomas Jefferson famously said that "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance." We must now be more vigilant than ever — a vigilance which includes enduring inconvenience at airports and public buildings; a vigilance that will in many ways restrict the unfettered freedom to travel that we once took for granted. But we also must be vigilant about those who want to rush us into unthinking judgments and actions to satisfy a hunger for vengeance. We show our strength and confidence not in precipitous action, but in patience.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel," Samuel Johnson once wrote. Nationalism is a dangerous emotion, first cousin to the kind of extremism and fanaticism that motivates those we seek to defeat. We will lose the fight against terrorism if we embrace any of the same values that motivate it, for then we will have defeated ourselves. In this case, we don't want to meet the enemy and find that he is us.
 
Yes, it's the right word.

This is an escalation to a level of attack far beyond anything attempted before.

There is no other word which conveys the seriousness of the situation.
 
Good points Hakan. 'War' is not the term I would use in this case. 'Strike' would be more like it, as in the US is going to 'strike' their enemies, who need not be listed here. They aren't going to send in hordes of ground troops into the barren terrain. They're going to hit with missiles, and bombers, and when they 'striking' is done, they'll move in with special forces to seize the land.

Obviously this is just speculation, as I am not priveleged to sit on the US Security Council <img src="icon12.gif" border="0"> , but it's my impression of what is going to happen.

Leaders are saying 'keep playing sports, keep going to plays, keep to your normal routine'. If WAR was the case, there's no way they'd be encouraging major league baseball back to work.
 
Special Operations Forces do not take terrain. I ought to know better than most. <img src="icon12.gif" border="0"> SOF's execute a variety of missions from short and long range recon missions on the ground, long-term observation missions in enemy territory, target designation, bomb damage assessments, setting up communications and COMINT assets in enemy territory, to a variety of direct action missions, to some other stuff y'all don't need to know about.

This will not just be bombing and missiles. There will be significant commitment of ground forces where that is the effective means to execute what we need to do.

This IS a war, but it is not the "type" of war we have fought previously. There is no need or benefit to canceling normal domestic activities, once specific security concerns are addressed. In WW2, we had a war of mass production, military forces numbering over 10 million (with a much smaller population), and huge requirements for raw material and use of infrastructure.

Things were cancelled because their were higher priority uses for rubber, gasoline, etc. etc., than for playing baseball. As production and transport facilities developed, it was also recognized as necessary for people to have recreation, relaxation, and a sense of "normalcy" despite the level of war commitment.

This is a war which requires the absolute commitment of will that we had in WW2, but it will not require anything like the level of commitment of manufacturing and logistical assets. We don't fight meatgrinder wars, that crap went out with Viet Nam. But this IS going to be a long, tough haul, and the need for security, for national service (civilian or military), and for dedication and will to see this thing through to the end is going to be very high.
 
Hakan, how would you or your countrymen react if the biggest buildings in Stockholm were blown up in the fashion the WTC was, by your own domestic airliners, killing 5000 or more?

I think very much like we are now....

I don't think we'll be indiscriminately bombing the sh*t out of just anyone over there. I DO think we will assault the countries that host terrorism (and ALL terrorists are now fair game, not just the ones who did THIS, but also ones who did other acts of terror before), so that we can secure and occupy those countries (by US or UN, UN would be better), and therefore be more directly vigilant (remember that word?) against terrorists who would base there in the future. We must make all countries of the world afraid to harbor terrorists and more than eager to hand known ones they have to us to avoid similar assault and occupation.

This is about the establishment of an enforceable international law.... We are about to demonstrate the severe penalty for violation. In the end, hopefully there will be NO country that terrorists can build a base in....
 
It's a war. It's not going to be the massive tank battles of WWII or Desert Storm, but I expect usage of ground troops, not to occupy, but to strike and retreat.

It's a 21st century version of war.
 
Originally posted by allan:<br />[QB]Hakan, how would you or your countrymen react if the biggest buildings in Stockholm were blown up in the fashion the WTC was, by your own domestic airliners, killing 5000 or more?

This is not what Hakan was saying. Sure we expect the US to be upset but for Christ sake war is not the way to avenge this act. War is a state between two countries. This was not done bgy another country nor has the culprut even been identified.

If as US citizen was engaged in terrorist activieties in another country the US wouldn't let a forgien country come into their country and extract the suspect even if it was conclusively proved that is was that person, something that is yet to happen in this case.

Also Hakan is right in pointing out that Nationalism is a dangerous force. Because of your isolation you Americans forget what it can do. It played a major role in starting the First world war. Hitler used it to gain anti jew and anti Verssailes support.

Even though this was the worst single act of terrorism does not mean the Americans should take equal reprisials.

Is America not the land of the free and the bastain of peace and respect of international law for the rest of the world to look up to?

Well thats what Americans have been telling the rest of the world until now.
 
"This is not what Hakan was saying. Sure we expect the US to be upset but for Christ sake war is not the way to avenge this act. War is a state between two countries. This was not done bgy another country nor has the culprut even been identified."

When we identify the terrorist group, we will attack that group AND the country that knowingly harbored them. Period. The country's government would be guilty by association (aiding and abetting, in criminal law terms)....

"If as US citizen was engaged in terrorist activieties in another country the US wouldn't let a forgien country come into their country and extract the suspect even if it was conclusively proved that is was that person, something that is yet to happen in this case."

We (the FBI or other US authorities) would extradite that person to the country, or try him here if our laws were also applicable (then extradite if acquitted here). We DO have extradition treaties with a lot of nations.... If Taleban would extradite bin Laden, they might save themselves a ton of misery....

"Also Hakan is right in pointing out that Nationalism is a dangerous force. Because of your isolation you Americans forget what it can do. It played a major role in starting the First world war. Hitler used it to gain anti jew and anti Verssailes support."

Depends on where it goes. So far, nationalism has been a GOOD thing in this case--it prevented looting in NYC (something I was VERY proud of), and in these past few days people have been downright NICE to each other for once (no road rage, crime seems to be down, etc.) in the face of a common adversity. We NEED a form of nationalism (solidarity) to get through this--and you would too, if it happened to you.... And yes we are pissed. Deal with it. We don't give a sh*t about anti-American rhetoric or criticism right now. And neither would you if it happened to you....

And yes this is war. It was declared on OUR NATION awhile ago by bin Laden (what ELSE is "jihad" but war), but we didn't take it too seriously. Until now....

"Even though this was the worst single act of terrorism does not mean the Americans should take equal reprisials."

If you mean we shouldn't intentionally blow up 5000 civilians in a civil building, you are right, certainly not. But our reprisal HAS to be equal (or greater) in a military sense, else these groups will feel safe to continue doing what they've been doing.

We will not ever abide terrorism again. Ever. Deal with it. <br /> <br />"Is America not the land of the free and the bastain of peace and respect of international law for the rest of the world to look up to?"

Yes, and we are forging international law against terrorism right now, with the cooperation of many other countries. And we will enforce it and uphold it. If you do not ENFORCE the law, then there is no law....

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Should we be like Neville Chamberlain, or Winston Churchill?

I think the answer is SO obvious, I shouldn't even have to ask....

And we didn't declare the war, THEY did--quite awhile ago in fact. So now, war it is. Careful what you wish for, you terrorist scum. 'Cause you're now going to get it....

[ September 16, 2001: Message edited by: allan ]</p>
 
It's not war, yet....

But it will be soon.

You reap what you sow, and there is gonna be quite a harvest by the end of the year.

I am watching the news as I type this, and an anger burns within me that I have very rarely felt.

Patience will be needed, because the reaction to this may take awhile to form.
 
All I can do is hake my head as I continue to read these naieve posts.

Peace is gone.

Bush is talking about war, not figurativly, but literally.

So many of you have been brainwashed by left wing propaganda the last 30 years you actually spout Vietnam era slogans and beliefs that have no baring on the modern world.

Nationalism is dangerous.<br />HaHaHaHaHa! Nationalism won the second world war.<br />The love of country and homelands is a favored target of Left wing extremists and pacisfts for quite some time.<br />They gave up their countries, so, therefore, why should you care about yours?, is their logic.<br />There is NOTHING wrong with loving your country, and your homeland. The problem lies in taking that love to the extreme by attempting to impose your way of life on others.<br />That is not happening here at all, the opposite is true. Bin Laden and his cronies are trying to force HIS way of life on YOU!

Fighting wars is wrong<br />More foolishness. Wars are begun as a way to reslove long standing differences between parties that cannot or willnot discuss matters. Bin Laden, and all terrorists represent only themselves, not nations or states. He is hated in his own homeland, Saudi Arabia.

The truth of the matter is, many of you are quite young, used to living safe lives in comparative luxery.<br />Osama Bin Laden despises you as weak and decadent westerners and would kill you and all you love in a heartbeat.

Most of you better start listening to the people who know what they are talking about, the men who have seen what needs to be done and have done it before, like my fellow troop, Rangers, lead the way!, who served with me back in the 80s, and the other veterans who have served.

I personaly faced extremists in the ME in 82 as part of a peacekeeping force in Sinai, while serving in 504PIR, 82ABD, and in the following april, in Grenada, in 83. I again ended up on the front lines on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, just blocks away from the WTC. I know what the F*ck I'm talking about, from bitter experience, not from idiot college professors who dodged the Vietnam war (I saw this also, first hand, in Colombia, after the Army) and can recite "war is evil" chants by heart.

I'm no right wing hawk either (old time Civfanatics know that I havce always been fair in my stand on things, leaning nither left nor right).

BUT, I'm here to tell you, the time for talk is over, debates about peace are finished.

This is WAR, real WAR, not missles and bombers, but fighting to eradicate an evil the world let fester.

There was a time to oppose certain wars, but this isn't one of those times.

If we want to live free, and without fear, now we must fight.

There is no other option, talk is useless.
 
War is a legally correct term to apply to the situation beginning with the attack on Sept 11. A declaration of war is legally superfulous when hostilites have comenced prior to declaration. The acts tuesday legally are all of: war, piracy, war crimes, various other crimes under interantional law, various other crimes under national & State law. The USA is legally entitled to do all of: wage war back (which includes holding captured combantant as POWs without trial or any other judicial order), including against thoses aiding the terrorists ; to prosecute for piracy, to prosecute for war crimes, to prosecute for other crimes

[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: Lefty Scaevola ]</p>
 
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