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Ankka said:
And what have I been doing the last hours then ???? Except for sending over 100 MB to FortyJ....
Don't ask; I won't tell. But like I told before; it isn't over for me yet. I'm still working my -=> head <=- off for this.
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
Rik Meleet said:
And what have I been doing the last hours then ???? Except for sending over 100 MB to FortyJ....
Don't ask; I won't tell. But like I told before; it isn't over for me yet. I'm still working my -=> head <=- off for this.
Luck and try to breathe every once in a while. It helps the brain work.
From the sound of it, Pggar didn't seem too happy about the accusation.
I wouldn't know; I haven't talked to Pggar. I've only read his statement over at the UN. But I would be surprised if he was "too happy with the situation".Zarn said:Luck and try to breathe every once in a while. It helps the brain work.
From the sound of it, Pggar didn't seem too happy about the accusation.
Just imagine a person with a spotless reputation is accused of a game-ending crime. Just imagine Donovan_Zoi or Rik Meleet or someone else you'd "give your life for" is accused of being a criminal.
akots
Poet
Well, the evidence would have to be dismissed somehow then. Don't see how this can be done IMO. Also, apparently FortyJ has extensively studied the case before submitting it to C3B and apparently found the evidence strong and worth consideration. Actually it is not the case of CFC versus C3B but the case of ISDG-2 versus C3B. Otherwise, FortyJ could have asked Rik to withdraw the complaint if he thought that the proof is not strong enough. So, Rik can sleep well. Even if they find some explanation (which can be certainly found), this does not deny the facts revealed. And we can hope that Pggar is a fair person and C3B team will understand the situation as well.
magnusmarcus
Prince
I think if we show even the slightest amount of doubt about the case we may come out on the losing end... We should show nothing but the upmost confidence in the case we have prepared.
I disagree. We just need to find the truth.
I feel sorry for the C3B team. Cos if Joker indeed cheated - I too am very confident about that - the rest of that team can't help it and Joker (and those who knew) screwed it up for his whole team. He spoiled the game for us all, but even more for C3B.
The fact that Pggar is so surprised is...not an argument, but it does make me doubt. Like Rik said: imagine Rik cheated, or Donovan Zoi. Would you believe it? Only if the evidence is rock hard. So let's hope our tropical wood suffices.
I feel sorry for the C3B team. Cos if Joker indeed cheated - I too am very confident about that - the rest of that team can't help it and Joker (and those who knew) screwed it up for his whole team. He spoiled the game for us all, but even more for C3B.
The fact that Pggar is so surprised is...not an argument, but it does make me doubt. Like Rik said: imagine Rik cheated, or Donovan Zoi. Would you believe it? Only if the evidence is rock hard. So let's hope our tropical wood suffices.
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
Matrix said:I disagree. We just need to find the truth.
I feel sorry for the C3B team. Cos if Joker indeed cheated - I too am very confident about that - the rest of that team can't help it and Joker (and those who knew) screwed it up for his whole team. He spoiled the game for us all, but even more for C3B.
The fact that Pggar is so surprised is...not an argument, but it does make me doubt. Like Rik said: imagine Rik cheated, or Donovan Zoi. Would you believe it? Only if the evidence is rock hard. So let's hope our tropical wood suffices.
No offense to either, but I never met either of them, so I don't know what they are truly like. I guess I just think differently.
TheDuckOfFlanders
the fish collecter
Personally ,i would dislike it a lot when a whole team should have to pay deerly for the abuses/misactions of one important member of it's team ,i wouldn't like CFC ejected for ex when one of our top officials would spy on an other team withought us knowing it.
The problem however is that it's hard to find an appropiate resolve whenJoker should be found guilty ,afterall then much dammage is done wich can't be reversed.
In any case ,Joker must get the harders punishment possible if found giulty.Perm ban from our site ,from C3B ,from ISDG and possibly even from all site's cooperating in ISDG ,for the reasons that we must harshly punish this as to prevent other people to get idea's ,and to prevent Joker to ever join up an ISDG team again and screw up for other people.
Personally i think that if Joker was the only one spying that we must come to a resolve where only Joker is harshly punnished but where we don't punish C3B as punnishing the whole team might be very destructive for the ISDG concept in general ,but we must also seek for a resolve that somehow fixes the hughe dammage done to our team.
The problem however is that it's hard to find an appropiate resolve whenJoker should be found guilty ,afterall then much dammage is done wich can't be reversed.
In any case ,Joker must get the harders punishment possible if found giulty.Perm ban from our site ,from C3B ,from ISDG and possibly even from all site's cooperating in ISDG ,for the reasons that we must harshly punish this as to prevent other people to get idea's ,and to prevent Joker to ever join up an ISDG team again and screw up for other people.
Personally i think that if Joker was the only one spying that we must come to a resolve where only Joker is harshly punnished but where we don't punish C3B as punnishing the whole team might be very destructive for the ISDG concept in general ,but we must also seek for a resolve that somehow fixes the hughe dammage done to our team.
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
TheDuckOfFlanders said:
I was thinking along the same lines. It seems that the team itself is not guilty but only Joker. Do most of you guys think that is true? If that is true, giving out a punishment would be hard to do. We cannot even say how much damage has been done to CFC. Alas, something will be figured out.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I might have a solution to stopping this from ever happening. I think the team leader for each Multisite game teams should be given Moderator access so that he can verify that the people wanting to join the team are not on any other team, or alteast are acting suspiciously. The team leader or any other mod that moderating the forum should only be the one who is able to add people to the list of those who have access to the forum, other citizens could PM the relevant person of those who are available for access. This should mean that they do a thorough investigation of those who are wanting to join. I have seen those who don't qualify have been adding people to have access.
A question, Is the list of players on the forum given to the UN? If that is the case, then is the team leader of each allowed to see those who are joined and check if anyone is trying to get access to another teams?
A question, Is the list of players on the forum given to the UN? If that is the case, then is the team leader of each allowed to see those who are joined and check if anyone is trying to get access to another teams?
gert-janl
Alive!!!
The problem with your proposal (which in basic is a good one) is that the Mod should also have a list with the IP addresses from all other teammembers. You can't only check names, just as we did untill now. I wonder if this is allowed by privacy laws or forum rules.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
That is what I was wondering too.gert-janl said:
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
I dont want to bother dealing with all this stuff. I'd love it if someone posted all the important things said by the important parties. Like the rulings, the direction of the trail and the main whatnots.
magnusmarcus
Prince
Per Hygro's Request....Second post from Official Summary in UN thread
FortyJ said:
magnusmarcus
Prince
3'd post from Official Summary in UN thread.
FortyJ said:
I just posted this in the UN forum:
I just read a chat Emp.Napoleon (CFC) and The Cat (C3B) had. Apparently C3B is thinking completely wrong about it and I don't understand why Emp.Napoleon didn't explain it.
The only reason we accused C3B is because we have such clear evidence! We would've preferred that it didn't happen too. And if it seems inaccurate we must simply forget about it and play on. Because this isn't a strategy to win the game! At CFC we all thought ", why did this game have to end this way?" We'd rather win by kicking someone out.
I changed the first paragraph in: "Please, let me explain one thing, cos there seems to be a misunderstanding at C3B...".
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