Its okay to be racist against whites

[Caligastia]

I saw this special on ABC, and it was mainly about adoption, but there was a couple on there who were refused permission to adopt a little black boy simply because they were white. The social worker in charge of the case put that down as the only reason why they were unsuitable to adopt. When asked to comment the social worker said that because of their race they would be unable to teach the boy certain "cultural values".

So now instead of being adopted by a loving family the poor kid will no doubt be bounced from foster home to foster home.

This is a link to a summary of the program, unfortunately it doesnt mention the racist part though.
http://abcnews.go.com/onair/ABCNEWSSpecials/stossel011228_kidsvoice_promo.html

 

[Knowltok 2]

Kind of surprising given that I'd also been under the impression that the problem was that most people who wanted to adopt were white and wanted white babies. Plenty of exceptions I know, so don't blast me too hard.

The attitude itself doesn't surprise me though.

 

[Drekken]

Good old Liberal illogic at work with your tax dollars. I know blacks were mistreated in the past, but acting like morons or passing moronic laws isn't going to make it all better.

 

[Wolfe Tone]

I think the term is 'Positive Discrimination' and I agree that it is unfair. The same sort of thing is being used here with Catholics and Protesants (I live in Ireland.)

 

[gjts00]

I see nothing wrong with whites not wanting to adopt non-white children. The act of adoption is a huge act of charity and sacrifice. Raising children is a very expensive and time consuming undertaking. And as such, it's my opinion that the prospective adopters should have every right to refuse to adopt any child for any reason with a clear conscience.


In fact, I can't think of a better reason not to adopt than a cultural gap. Think of how confused the kid would be growing up (and no ammonut of explaining to the child would fix the problem, so don't try to refute what I'm saying with that argument). Think also of the way the kid will act when he/she hits the rebellious teen years and decides he/she wants to act like a thug in a white environment. I see more down side than up side to interacial adoption.


I grew up with a black man that was adopted by a white family & by the time that we hit 6th grade he didn't know which end was up. He then left home at 17 & went straight to the ghetto. After high school I didn't see him for a couple of years and when I caught up with him again, he was a completely different person than the one that I grew up with. In a matter of two and a half years he went from talking like everyone else that he grew up with, to a model for ebonics. I've since found out that he's currently serving 15 to life for multiple counts agrivated assault & armed robbery. And all this from a kid that was given every opportunity to live a good life. And he went for the ghetto in the end anyway...

 

[Drekken]

Originally posted by gjts00
I see nothing wrong with whites not wanting to adopt non-white children...adopters should have every right to refuse to adopt any child for any reason with a clear conscience.

Didn't the couple get refused a black child because they are white and not the other way around?

I grew up with a black man that was adopted by a white family & by the time that we hit 6th grade he didn't know which end was up. He then left home at 17 & went straight to the ghetto. After high school I didn't see him for a couple of years and when I caught up with him again, he was a completely different person than the one that I grew up with. In a matter of two and a half years he went from talking like everyone else that he grew up with, to a model for ebonics. I've since found out that he's currently serving 15 to life for multiple counts agrivated assault & armed robbery. And all this from a kid that was given every opportunity to live a good life. And he went for the ghetto in the end anyway...

But WHY? I guess he watched too much TV or something.

 

[gjts00]

I misread the first post, (my bad). *gjts00 punches himself in the head*


If people want to adopt outside of their race, that's fine by me. But whith all due consideration, I still stand by my opinion.


And as to why my friend took the route that he did, I don't know. The last time that I saw him a was at a new year's eve party about ten years ago. So, instead of having a state of your life type of conversation in the middle of a party, I let my curiosity take a back seat to having a good time.

 

[Gruntboy]

Isn't the problem with the (mis)conception of the word "racist". From a linguistic point of view, I'd have thought (in my naivite) that racism referred from any race to any race.

 

[atawa]

Cultural differences????

IMHO the foremost important thing for a child is to have 2 loving parents.

If I, as a child, would have the choice between groing up in institutions or at say a loving chinese couple, I would rather celebrate Tet

Finding out about your roots is something you can always do later, at least you'd have a good and loving upbringing by then to give you a good basis in life.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Like several others here, I do have a certain degree of loathing for this type of reverse racism (two wrongs do not make a right. The race of the adoptive parents should not matter, as long as they are suitable parents.

 

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by gjts00

I grew up with a black man that was adopted by a white family & by the time that we hit 6th grade he didn't know which end was up. He then left home at 17 & went straight to the ghetto. After high school I didn't see him for a couple of years and when I caught up with him again, he was a completely different person than the one that I grew up with. In a matter of two and a half years he went from talking like everyone else that he grew up with, to a model for ebonics. I've since found out that he's currently serving 15 to life for multiple counts agrivated assault & armed robbery. And all this from a kid that was given every opportunity to live a good life. And he went for the ghetto in the end anyway... [/B]

This could be the exception not the rule. One bad experience with this kind of adoption does not mean they all turn out like that.

 

[Gruntboy]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
... this type of reverse racism...

But isn't that the point? Its not "reverse racism" - that implies only white people can be racist.

It is what it is. Racism.

 

[Benz]

There is a huge racist error in that event. How come that a culture belongs to a specific color type?

I don't see this as a racism against whites. I rather see it as complete biased way of promoting culture on racial basis. The subtle difference is the definition of culture. The racism can also existe within two persons of the same color with different values and cultures. The essence of the problem still the same. The non-understanding of something different than you on silly reasons such as the color of your skin or the language you speak or the god you believe in, etc...

 

[Whiskey Priest]

Thats odd. Just a year ago a friend of the family adopted an asian child. He is white. Although the fact that he is the richest person I know probably didn't hurt.

 

[DoorFrame]

do the chinese even celebrate tet?

 

[damunzy]

Originally posted by DoorFrame
do the chinese even celebrate tet?

I am trying to understand what this has to do with the thread topic. If you are askign a seperate question then PM the person you are asking. It is also allowed to ask a question inside your reply to the topic at hand.

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by Drekken
Good old Liberal illogic at work with your tax dollars. I know blacks were mistreated in the past, but acting like morons or passing moronic laws isn't going to make it all better.

Good ol' conservative 'lack of any effort to use common sense and logic'......nothing new there, hehe

I'm a very liberal person, and I don't agree with the subject statement. I mean, please.

Believe me, I'd be willing to bet that as many white people would have a problem with a white baby being raised by blacks as vice versa.

The overwhelming majority of liberals will tell you that ANY discrimination is wrong. Conservatives attempt to spin things and make it seem as though their pristine race is under attack. Not true, calm down, don't get so worked up.

The people that don't want a black baby raised by white parents are wrong, but it has NOTHING to do with liberals or conservatives.....so I really don't see where that came from in the first place. If ayone is racist, I'd say it's the conservatives, wouldn't you?

The Republican party fought civil rights tooth and claw, baby. Hell, Strom Thurmond, among others, actually bolted the Democratic party because they were becoming a bunch of $#% lovers. So, what did he do? He joined a party that went more along with his ideas of race relations (segregation, etc...). That party was the Republican party, of course.

Republicans and conservatives were on the wrong side of history on this issue as they have been throughout their history.

In fact, I find it hard how anybody that knows history could be a conservative. Why join the side that's continuously on the wrong side of history?

 

[bvd]

There are many others who share Caligastia's views, namely two AOL-keyword hackers with the handles 'Hex' and 'Spin'. They vandalized NetNoir Inc.'s NetNoir Online keyword (which I'd guess is some sort of African-American online community) not once, but three times.

In the page's format, they posted quite an elegant (for a lowly hacker!) invective message condemning the NAACP, Black Entertainment Television and a few other organizations as "racist" and that white counterparts could never exist. I understand that this is a very sensitive subject, but would you agree?

You can view each bout of vandalism at AOLwatch:
http://www.aolwatch.org/noirhack.htm
http://www.aolwatch.org/noirhack2.htm
http://www.aolwatch.org/noirhack3.htm

 

[VoodooAce]

It is a very touchy subject. Should white students have the right to start on-campus clubs to celebrate their white herritage. You'll probably be surprised that I say, yeah, they probably should.

But, as with the other clubs, people of all races need to be eligible, as they are now with any african or latino clubs. If you want to join one, you may, regardless of race, creed, color or religion. Of course, being welcome is a different thing, indeed.

But either all should be able to, or none should. Having a double standard certainly isn't the way to go.

I dunno. Regardless, the NAACP isn't a racist organization. It's not like they're the opposite of the KKK or something. Nobody can deny that up until 35 years ago, or so, there was a very strong NEED for a group like that. Because blacks in this country were SO completely screwed over by our nation. Yes, I know, slavery ended 135 years ago.

But for a hundred years after that, they were absolutely not offered the same opportunities that whites were. There can be no arguing that.

The NAACP now is merely a shadow of what it once was. Corruption and, dare I say, less of a need for them have eroded their power.

But, hey, they have the NAACP and the whites have the Republicans, lol.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by VoodooAce
Believe me, I'd be willing to bet that as many white people would have a problem with a white baby being raised by blacks as vice versa.

We're not talking about hypothetical situations here -- this actually happened.

The overwhelming majority of liberals will tell you that ANY discrimination is wrong.

How about "reparations" for slavery, or Affirmative Action?

Conservatives attempt to spin things and make it seem as though their pristine race is under attack.

Pristine race? If you say that, I'd say you're more of a racial demagauge than anyone here...

If ayone is racist, I'd say it's the conservatives, wouldn't you?

That has to be the most ridiculous statement I've heard on this board. You even said before that this wasn't about politics, but, here you go again...

The Republican party fought civil rights tooth and claw, baby.

Damn that evil Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.

Praise the Lord for Great Liberals like Franklin Delano Roosevelt, that did that great deed of providing freedom for 107,000 Japanese-American citizens locked in internment camps for three years. Huzzah!

Christ...

Hell, Strom Thurmond...

Strom Thurmond is just the Jocyeln Elders counterpart on the right...even our party doesn't take him seriously.

Republicans and conservatives were on the wrong side of history on this issue as they have been throughout their history.

Care to tell me what the ''Dixiecrats'' fought for in the Civil War?

In fact, I find it hard how anybody that knows history could be a conservative. Why join the side that's continuously on the wrong side of history?

Typical elitist comments...