Zardnaar
Deity
Online people seem to equate social justice to be a major components of being the left.
Problem being from an electoral PoV it's poison. It's bad when the lefts main hope of winning an election is the right throwing up even worse electoral poison eg Trump, Scomo, Boris or what National vomited up here vs Jacinda.
Ah Zard you beer living drunken kiwi you live in one of the most liberal countries in the world don't lecture us!!!!!
Here we are very progressive by worldwide standards (we fail online purity tests like most places) because of what our ancestors passed back in the 19th and early 20th century.
They were not progressive in modern terms. Our equivalent of FDR on modern terms was racist vs Chinese for example at the time we had some sort of whites only immigration policy.
The key thing was the economic side of things. They passed a lot of legislation around things like universal healthcare, pensions, welfare, education etc.
That system lasted until 1984 and they've been slowly dismantling it but some of the ideals at least still form a large part of the national psyche.
If the economy is going to crap without that social safety net people will slide to populists who make big promises and extremism.
You need the cultural and economic environment to promote liberal ideals trying to push it and force it creates a backlash. It will either happen or it won't.
Look at eastern Europe eg Poland and Hungary for example. Harder you push they push back.
Is it ideal no but the world isn't an ideal place. Different cultures and people think differently. There's no right and wrong as such in terms of values although I have my preferences just like everyone else.
I can't change the way people think it's possible but it takes time as in generations. Expecting eastern Europe let alone places like Afghanistan to embrace western values is a waste of time it's up to them.
I won't mention places like China, Russia, India, or Saudi Arabia. Let them change or not under their own steam. At least in internal matters.
External stuff eg invasions are not what I'm talking about.
Clinton was right it's the economy stupid. There's some big problems and the left is unable or unwilling to fix them the right either doesn't acknowledge those problems or it's working as intended.
You need to nurture the environment you live in to encourage "wokism" and the left are clueless on several multiple things at least when it comes to winning elections.
Progress (ideal) 1,2,3,4,5,6
Online 1,2,3,4,9,10
Reality 1,2,3,4,5,3,3,4,2,6
Problem being from an electoral PoV it's poison. It's bad when the lefts main hope of winning an election is the right throwing up even worse electoral poison eg Trump, Scomo, Boris or what National vomited up here vs Jacinda.
Ah Zard you beer living drunken kiwi you live in one of the most liberal countries in the world don't lecture us!!!!!
Here we are very progressive by worldwide standards (we fail online purity tests like most places) because of what our ancestors passed back in the 19th and early 20th century.
They were not progressive in modern terms. Our equivalent of FDR on modern terms was racist vs Chinese for example at the time we had some sort of whites only immigration policy.
The key thing was the economic side of things. They passed a lot of legislation around things like universal healthcare, pensions, welfare, education etc.
That system lasted until 1984 and they've been slowly dismantling it but some of the ideals at least still form a large part of the national psyche.
If the economy is going to crap without that social safety net people will slide to populists who make big promises and extremism.
You need the cultural and economic environment to promote liberal ideals trying to push it and force it creates a backlash. It will either happen or it won't.
Look at eastern Europe eg Poland and Hungary for example. Harder you push they push back.
Is it ideal no but the world isn't an ideal place. Different cultures and people think differently. There's no right and wrong as such in terms of values although I have my preferences just like everyone else.
I can't change the way people think it's possible but it takes time as in generations. Expecting eastern Europe let alone places like Afghanistan to embrace western values is a waste of time it's up to them.
I won't mention places like China, Russia, India, or Saudi Arabia. Let them change or not under their own steam. At least in internal matters.
External stuff eg invasions are not what I'm talking about.
Clinton was right it's the economy stupid. There's some big problems and the left is unable or unwilling to fix them the right either doesn't acknowledge those problems or it's working as intended.
You need to nurture the environment you live in to encourage "wokism" and the left are clueless on several multiple things at least when it comes to winning elections.
Progress (ideal) 1,2,3,4,5,6
Online 1,2,3,4,9,10
Reality 1,2,3,4,5,3,3,4,2,6
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