John Paul II to become a saint?

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French nun's mysterious recovery

"John Paul II cured me," the 46-year-old nun said Friday, smiling serenely as she spoke for the first time in public about her experience.

"It is difficult for me to explain to you in words ... It was too strong, too big. A mystery."

Yahoo news article

Why an atheist post such a thread you ask? I don't know myself, I find the story interesting because I would like to know how the Vatican can prove it is a miracle. By what rules?
 
Its so funny. And sad. She calls herself a Christian, but she believes JPII healed her, not Jesus Christ. She should call herself a Johnpaulian.
 
Yeah, why is an atheist posting such a thread? :hmm: :p

Becoming a saint is a lengthy process. Right now Pope John Paul II is still at the lowest level of the Stages of Canonization in the Roman Catholic Church, which is Servant of God. The next step is Venerable, then Blessed, and finaly Saint.

The Vatican can prove that it is a miracle by sending priests over to investigate the miracle itself to determine that it is indeed a miracle.
 
The guys barely been dead a year, and he's already on the fast track for 'Sainthood'. Its disgraceful. I guess they cant stand the thought of the JPII merchandizing bandwagon coming to an end. As soon as he's cannonized there'll be a booming market again for JPII ashtrays and watches:shake:

edit: it really is the Roman Catholic Church.
 
Its so funny. And sad. She calls herself a Christian, but she believes JPII healed her, not Jesus Christ. She should call herself a Johnpaulian.
Very inacurate. She is indeed a Christian. She asked John Paul II to intercede for her behalf. It's known as the Intercessory prayer, which is a petition made to God on behalf of others. This is way different than praying to a saint (That many Protestants accuse Catholics of :rolleyes: ).

More information here on the Intercession of Saints

Jean-Paul 2 might have been a great pope, but a saint?
He has not been canonized as a Saint yet! :shake:
 
The guys barely been dead a year, and he's already on the fast track for 'Sainthood'.
The process of Canonizing Saints is a very lengthy process that takes years even decades.

But I think that JP2 is on a fast track to sainthood, and I do not like that.
Have you even bothered to read my first post? The Canonizing process goes like this:

Servant of God → Venerable → Blessed → Saint

Current Procedure in the Catholic Church for Canonization
When sufficient information has been gathered, the subject of the investigation is called "Servant of God", and the process is transferred to the Roman Curia—the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints—where it is assigned a postulator, whose task is to gather all information about the life of the Servant of God. When enough information has been gathered, the congregation will recommend to the pope that he make a proclamation of the Servant of God's heroic virtue, which entitles him or her to receive the title "Venerable". A Venerable has as of yet no feast day, but prayer cards may be printed to encourage the faithful to pray for a miracle wrought by his or her intercession.

The next step depends on whether the Venerable is a martyr. For a martyr, the pope has only to make a declaration of martyrdom, which then allows beatification, yielding the title "Blessed" and a feast day in the Blessed's home diocese and perhaps some other local calendars. If the Venerable was not a martyr, it must be proven that a miracle has taken place by his or her intercession. Today, these miracles are almost always miraculous cures, as these are the easiest to establish based on the Catholic Church's requirements for a "miracle." (The patient was sick, there was no known cure for the ailment, prayers were directed to the Venerable, the patient was cured, and doctors cannot explain it.)

To pass from Blessed to Saint, one (more) miracle is necessary. A saint's feast day is considered universal, and may be celebrated anywhere within the Roman Catholic Church, although it may or may not appear on the general calendar.

The Canonization process does not take months. It takes years, decades, even centuries.
 
The process of Canonizing Saints is a very lengthy process that takes years even decades.


Have you even bothered to read my first post? The Canonizing process goes like this:

Servant of God → Venerable → Blessed → Saint

But JP2 famously fast-tracked someone to sainthood. That's a dangerous precedent. Lemme check...
 
JPII started fast tracking as a publicity stunt to try and win back some support from parts of the world where other Christian denominations, particularly Evangelicals, where making great inroads in formerly solid Catholic territory. Now JPII himself is on the fast track.
 
But JP2 famously fast-tracked someone to sainthood. That's a dangerous precedent. Lemme check...
Show me which saint he fast tracked.
 
Its so funny. And sad. She calls herself a Christian, but she believes JPII healed her, not Jesus Christ. She should call herself a Johnpaulian.

The apostles worked miracles also; Jesus gave his followers the power to heal in his name.

The Canonization process does not take months. It takes years, decades, even centuries.

Pope Benedict XVI has accelerated the process for his predecessor.

Used to take centuries.

Used to be instantaneous.

Martyr = Saint.
 
The apostles worked miracles also; Jesus gave his followers the power to heal in his name.
But he didnt tell people to direct their prayers to the apostles, did he? (bracing for the posting of 348 verses where he does exactly that)
Martyr = Saint.
Sounds familiar. All thats missing are 72 virgins.
 
Ouch. Nice one, Bozo.

On-topic, well, he probably deserves it more than the vast majority of popes. Not that this says much about him.
 
But he didnt tell people to direct their prayers to the apostles, did he? (bracing for the posting of 348 verses where he does exactly that)
Jesus parable on Dives and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31 makes referance to ask people whom have passed on to pray for us on our behalf. St. Paul's Epistles repeadedly referanced Jesus as advocating for the believers which indicates that Jesus, who is living at the right hand of God can intercede for the believer (Epistle to the Romans 8:34; Hebrews 7:25). On that note, holy persons who are living in Christ on Earth or heaven can and may be able to intercede through Christ on behalf of the pentitoner (John 11:25; Rom 8:38-39). Since the people on Earth can intercede in behalf of each other (IE someone request that I pray for them for their safe travel), then thoes whom have already been glorified in heaven, and are even closer "in Christ" (Heb 2:11, 10:10; 1 Tim 2:1-5).

This tradition of Intercession has been rooted down in Judaism where in 2nd Maccabees (In the Deutrocanocal books, or what the Protestants call the Apocrypha) where Judas Maccabeasu sees the dead Onias and Jeremiah giving a blessing to the Jewish army to fight against the Greeks.

Sounds familiar. All thats missing are 72 virgins.
This is completely different from the Muslim tradition! Christians don't go up to blow themselves up for martyrdom. In fact. Martyrdom is a misunderstood subject after the fundamentalist Muslims have abused it.

Martyrdom means dying for one's faith in the face of religious persecution. A martyr is a person who is put to death or endures suffering because of a belief, principle or cause. By put to death, it has to be by someone else's hands, not their own.
 
I wouldn't be upset if he became a saint. I just don't like the 'fast-tracking.'

It is just too soon.
 
But JP2 famously fast-tracked someone to sainthood. That's a dangerous precedent. Lemme check...

Show me which saint he fast tracked.

AH! I remembered it this week-end :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa

So she died in 1997 and was beatified in 2003. Way, way faster than the "normal" process for beatification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonization

"The process begins at the diocesan level, with the bishop giving permission to open an investigation into the virtues of the person who is thought to have been a saint.[3] This investigation may open no sooner than five years after the death of the person being investigated.[4] However, the pope has the authority to waive this waiting period, as was done for Mother Teresa by Pope John Paul II [5] and for John Paul II himself by his immediate successor, Benedict XVI.[6]"

So basically the waiting period was waived two times in the last 10 years...
 
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