IAM
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Another vote here for sticking with slavery for now.
King of the World #12: Sitting Bull
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Gagonite
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Either that, or name them after previously-existing Native-American settlements in the area(s). If there wasn't one in the area or anywhere nearby, then make one up or use yer idea.
Doesn't matter a ton though, lol, and it's up to ye.
Foamy7
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Harv
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Hmm - Maybe you will get the Sports League quest.
ADDIT: You were asking about how to play a New World Civ and not be a backwater. It looks like you are one of two civs in the New World against 10 civs in the Old World. I expect it to be not quite as bad as 15 civs on the Old World trading with each other - and your tech trading partner is Financial and therefore may be useful.
I generally agree with the advice you have been given to get to Caravels and reach Europe (specifically Portugal) and join the party, so to speak.
I will also add that you, as Sitting Bull, are Philisophical. You also have access to both Marble and Stone. What do you think of building a couple or few wonders instead of crashing the economy? What do you think of the Great Library? It will get you 16 Great Scientist Points with no help at all.
Also - If you decide to chase the Great Library, that means you will be pretty close to Music. Do you think chasing the free Great Artist for a Golden Age is worth it?
It looks like you snagged the Oracle and got a Code of Laws / Confucianism Slingshot - Brilliant! It also means you can consider switching from Slavery to Caste System at some point in the future. I think it is too early to switch now because you are still building stuff and Caste System slows that down.
You will be getting tons of Great Scientists and Great Merchants once you make the switch.
You do not really need to Rex in my opinion because you have only one rival for your territory. Smart EXpansion is good.
On the other side - if you build a Hybrid economy, I think you will have difficulty crashing it - especially if you settle the Great Merchants and build Academies.
Disclaimer: I am still at the Wonder-Addiction and Build-Addiction stages of learning the game. So I am not really sure how useful what I have said really is. However, it will be interesting to see how you play this one out.
A boring round, but a necessary one.
The elders were relieved. Sitting Bull had fully recovered from his religious mania, and was once again focused on bringing the continent, with all of its savage grandeur, under his control. The first target was the west coast, where the settlers founded the community of Laker:
The people there spoke of contention with the forces of magic in the near future for total supremacy. Sitting Bull's agents considered this a heresy, and a dangerous heresy at that. Those who preached this philosophy were quickly rounded up and worked to death building Clam nets to feed the empire. No more was said of the matter.
In the east, north along the coast from the city of Brave (for that is what Savannah was called in those days), another tribe found a home. This was to be known as the Islander people:
The Islander tribe were a malcontent lot, feeling themselves inferior to the Rangers of the forest and the Devils to the south. Sitting Bull sent Dog Soldiers out in search of these mysterious tribes, but they were nowhere to be found. The stories of the Devils, in particular, though, disturbed him, so he made sure to keep sentries posted at all times in the surrounding hills.
By this time, most of the choicer lands were tamed and settled. The northern tundra still boiled with uncontrolled savagery, but that would not last long. It was time to throw open the borders with the Maya, welcoming their valuable trade goods into the empire:
Pacal was cautioned, though, that any bands of Settlers seen near Tenochtitlan would be dealt with severely.
In 500 B.C., the economic situation was grim. Sitting Bull knew that the new Cottages being built on the Gulf Coast and the Atlantic seaboard would bear fruit in time, and that the new cities would become profitable. But, much like apple tree seedlings, for now they were burdens, leeching the coffers dry. A chance discovery in the Cahokia mines, though, went a long way toward easing this hardship:
While such a boon would be inconsequential in later epochs (which is when I usually get this event), at this point it was sorely needed. The corner of Sitting Bull's mouth lifted in a smile. The spirits smiled upon him yet.
The money funded an expansion northward from Laker, into the rainy northwest, where the tribe of the Seahawk laid down roots:
The Seahawk were a proud people, though many claimed that much of their recent success was due simply to inferior competition.
With the great Totem Stonehenge extending its wings from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and with the Way of the Spirit and places of learning popping up across the empire, the mysterious Gibbon recognized the Native American empire as the most cultured on the globe:
This was no major accomplishment, but it was nevertheless a badge of honor that Sitting Bull would wear proudly in the face of the Empires across the Sea.
In 320 B.C., the noble Maya completed a worthwhile beeline of their own:
Monarchy was a powerful secret. Sitting Bull wished he could convince Pacal to share it. But while Pacal was Pleased with his northern neighbors, he still guarded his knowledge jealously, and there was no way to share the technology even if he were so inclined.
The people of Brave were willing to share their secrets, though:
Sitting Bull thought long and hard, and finally decided to fund the wing. It was a minor benefit, but over the long years to come, and with the future multipliers to be considered, it would be worthwhile. Moreso than an extra turn of research would have been.
Shortly thereafter, a single Archer wandered out of the Florida Everglades:
He was easily dispatched. He was nevertheless honored, as the last element of savagery to come from that fetid swamp. Ever after, the people of Brave, aided by the watchful eyes of the great Stonehenge, kept the peninsula supervised.
In 230 B.C., the city of Hawkeye was finally founded east of Cahokia:
The people of Hawkeye were skilled wrestlers, but lacked competence in any other major sports. This was of no consequence to Sitting Bull, who only wanted them to grow fat and multiply with the help of the abundant local corn. Soon, with a booming population, it would become a major piece of the empire.
Sojourner Truth was born in Tenochtitlan:
He spoke of Golden Ages and the secrets of Polytheism. Sitting Bull considered briefly, then hardened his heart and had him join the priests of the Confucian Shrine, providing Hammers and gathering Gold.
As the time came near for the calendar to turn to the A.D.'s, Sitting Bull founded a final city north of Cahokia:
It was hoped that Blue Bomber would hold back the savage incursions from the Canadian tundra. The people of Blue Bomber were unorthodox, and played by their own decidedly odd set of rules. But they served their purpose, and, with loyal Dog Soldiers roaming the streets, they offered no rebellion.
By 10 A.D., the conquest of the New World was largely complete. The northern tundra still spawned the occasional barbarian, but things were under control. The Old World, though, would be a significantly tougher for to crack:
Philosophy? In 10 A.D.? Sitting Bull knew that he had his work cut out for him.
He laid out his map of the empire:
A band of intrepid Settlers was on its way to Moosonee on the corner of James Bay in Ontario (A town of 3,000- So, no, it doesn't have any sports teams!). Workers were in the process of converting the forests to Villages. Some elders spoke of living with the land, but Sitting Bull dismissed such notions out of hand. The world would need to be conquered, and trees would only help Sitting Bull do that if they were sawed and hammered into ships.
He laid out detailed accounts of the various tribes:
Green Wave, once Baton Rouge, was, until Hawkeye was up and running, a land of Scientists and Hamlets. Cahokia had been kept at a small population, using its few powerful resources to fuel a steady output of Workers and Settlers. Now, though, it was a time for growth.
Finally, Sitting Bull called in his wise men, who outlined the Path of the Seer which would take them over the oceans:
I figure Metal Casting-Machinery, then a quick dip to grab Archery so as to get some Totem Pole Protective Archers up and running. Then continue on to Compass and Optics, and meet the neighbors. So does that sound like a good plan? Any other cities that should be priorities? Am I doing anything remarkably stupid?
Here's the save:
The elders were relieved. Sitting Bull had fully recovered from his religious mania, and was once again focused on bringing the continent, with all of its savage grandeur, under his control. The first target was the west coast, where the settlers founded the community of Laker:
The people there spoke of contention with the forces of magic in the near future for total supremacy. Sitting Bull's agents considered this a heresy, and a dangerous heresy at that. Those who preached this philosophy were quickly rounded up and worked to death building Clam nets to feed the empire. No more was said of the matter.
In the east, north along the coast from the city of Brave (for that is what Savannah was called in those days), another tribe found a home. This was to be known as the Islander people:
The Islander tribe were a malcontent lot, feeling themselves inferior to the Rangers of the forest and the Devils to the south. Sitting Bull sent Dog Soldiers out in search of these mysterious tribes, but they were nowhere to be found. The stories of the Devils, in particular, though, disturbed him, so he made sure to keep sentries posted at all times in the surrounding hills.
By this time, most of the choicer lands were tamed and settled. The northern tundra still boiled with uncontrolled savagery, but that would not last long. It was time to throw open the borders with the Maya, welcoming their valuable trade goods into the empire:
Pacal was cautioned, though, that any bands of Settlers seen near Tenochtitlan would be dealt with severely.
In 500 B.C., the economic situation was grim. Sitting Bull knew that the new Cottages being built on the Gulf Coast and the Atlantic seaboard would bear fruit in time, and that the new cities would become profitable. But, much like apple tree seedlings, for now they were burdens, leeching the coffers dry. A chance discovery in the Cahokia mines, though, went a long way toward easing this hardship:
While such a boon would be inconsequential in later epochs (which is when I usually get this event), at this point it was sorely needed. The corner of Sitting Bull's mouth lifted in a smile. The spirits smiled upon him yet.
The money funded an expansion northward from Laker, into the rainy northwest, where the tribe of the Seahawk laid down roots:
The Seahawk were a proud people, though many claimed that much of their recent success was due simply to inferior competition.
With the great Totem Stonehenge extending its wings from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and with the Way of the Spirit and places of learning popping up across the empire, the mysterious Gibbon recognized the Native American empire as the most cultured on the globe:
This was no major accomplishment, but it was nevertheless a badge of honor that Sitting Bull would wear proudly in the face of the Empires across the Sea.
In 320 B.C., the noble Maya completed a worthwhile beeline of their own:
Monarchy was a powerful secret. Sitting Bull wished he could convince Pacal to share it. But while Pacal was Pleased with his northern neighbors, he still guarded his knowledge jealously, and there was no way to share the technology even if he were so inclined.
The people of Brave were willing to share their secrets, though:
Sitting Bull thought long and hard, and finally decided to fund the wing. It was a minor benefit, but over the long years to come, and with the future multipliers to be considered, it would be worthwhile. Moreso than an extra turn of research would have been.
Shortly thereafter, a single Archer wandered out of the Florida Everglades:
He was easily dispatched. He was nevertheless honored, as the last element of savagery to come from that fetid swamp. Ever after, the people of Brave, aided by the watchful eyes of the great Stonehenge, kept the peninsula supervised.
In 230 B.C., the city of Hawkeye was finally founded east of Cahokia:
The people of Hawkeye were skilled wrestlers, but lacked competence in any other major sports. This was of no consequence to Sitting Bull, who only wanted them to grow fat and multiply with the help of the abundant local corn. Soon, with a booming population, it would become a major piece of the empire.
Sojourner Truth was born in Tenochtitlan:
He spoke of Golden Ages and the secrets of Polytheism. Sitting Bull considered briefly, then hardened his heart and had him join the priests of the Confucian Shrine, providing Hammers and gathering Gold.
As the time came near for the calendar to turn to the A.D.'s, Sitting Bull founded a final city north of Cahokia:
It was hoped that Blue Bomber would hold back the savage incursions from the Canadian tundra. The people of Blue Bomber were unorthodox, and played by their own decidedly odd set of rules. But they served their purpose, and, with loyal Dog Soldiers roaming the streets, they offered no rebellion.
By 10 A.D., the conquest of the New World was largely complete. The northern tundra still spawned the occasional barbarian, but things were under control. The Old World, though, would be a significantly tougher for to crack:
Philosophy? In 10 A.D.? Sitting Bull knew that he had his work cut out for him.
He laid out his map of the empire:
A band of intrepid Settlers was on its way to Moosonee on the corner of James Bay in Ontario (A town of 3,000- So, no, it doesn't have any sports teams!). Workers were in the process of converting the forests to Villages. Some elders spoke of living with the land, but Sitting Bull dismissed such notions out of hand. The world would need to be conquered, and trees would only help Sitting Bull do that if they were sawed and hammered into ships.
He laid out detailed accounts of the various tribes:
Green Wave, once Baton Rouge, was, until Hawkeye was up and running, a land of Scientists and Hamlets. Cahokia had been kept at a small population, using its few powerful resources to fuel a steady output of Workers and Settlers. Now, though, it was a time for growth.
Finally, Sitting Bull called in his wise men, who outlined the Path of the Seer which would take them over the oceans:
I figure Metal Casting-Machinery, then a quick dip to grab Archery so as to get some Totem Pole Protective Archers up and running. Then continue on to Compass and Optics, and meet the neighbors. So does that sound like a good plan? Any other cities that should be priorities? Am I doing anything remarkably stupid?
Here's the save:
JammerUno
King
If Pacal doesn't declare at pleased (which I think he doesnt), archery isn't nessecary. In fact, besides the cheap garrisons for HR, archers would be a waste. There's something to be said of training some archery units before the totem pole is obsolete, but now is too soon.
Your happiness issues are probably better dealt with by forges and securing a source of whales and furs. Trade for some gems with Pacal, and you'll have plenty of room for vertical growth without incurring high maintainance on militairy.
Your happiness issues are probably better dealt with by forges and securing a source of whales and furs. Trade for some gems with Pacal, and you'll have plenty of room for vertical growth without incurring high maintainance on militairy.
Loki Strikes
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I'd consider grabbing CS first... Bureaucracy will be immensely helpful, otherwise optics beeline sounds reasonable... if you really want protective archers go ahead I guess, but archery seems completely unnecessary.
Forges + HR will help with happiness, I thought AI's traded monarchy + alpha regardless of number of people known... Just wait for Pacal to grab alpha and you can trade for both.
Forges + HR will help with happiness, I thought AI's traded monarchy + alpha regardless of number of people known... Just wait for Pacal to grab alpha and you can trade for both.
Harv
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Your choice of city names is pretty funny!
Your Blue Bomber city is closer to Edmonton than to Winnipeg, but the way the earth map is setting up, I would not care to call the city "Oiler." However, the "Eskimos" play the same unorthodox game as the "Blue Bombers."
EDIT: I think your dotmap shows another one pretty far to the NW anyway.
I have to run, but I will open your save shortly.
Your Blue Bomber city is closer to Edmonton than to Winnipeg, but the way the earth map is setting up, I would not care to call the city "Oiler." However, the "Eskimos" play the same unorthodox game as the "Blue Bombers."
EDIT: I think your dotmap shows another one pretty far to the NW anyway.
I have to run, but I will open your save shortly.
jamescat
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Are you from New Jersey or are you just familiar with the legend?
I would only consider archery if you plan on having a lot of gold to mass-upgrade later for the new world reverse conquest. Otherwise Pacal isn't really a threat.
shyuhe
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Pacal will trade monarchy even if it's a monopoly tech. Alphabet and monarchy are exceptions to the normal monopoly trade rule.
Ai Shizuka
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Pacal likes Hereditary Rule, so with that and religion you will have him at friendly in no time.
He can declare at pleased, but usually doesn't.
He can declare at pleased, but usually doesn't.
I'm familiar with the legend (and I have some family up there), but that was more a reference to the hockey team
pianoman1242
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you have a lot of sport-referenced city names
nbcman
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Gagonite
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Neal, once you get Archery and Machinery, why not some uber totem pole / protective buffed Crossbowman to suppliment the defense of your soon-to-be offense? Ya got Iron, and those elite crossbowman will be awesome in defending your stacks from the Europeans.
pianoman1242
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@nbcman: 
oops, totally missed that part; thanks for pointing it out.
oops, totally missed that part; thanks for pointing it out.
Foamy7
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I know I tend to be, just ask my wife 
), but isn't Islander located more or less in Boston? And don't the Islanders play in New York?
If you hate Boston (and I don't have any problems with that) that would explain it too.
Or I'm just missing something.
), but isn't Islander located more or less in Boston? And don't the Islanders play in New York? If you hate Boston (and I don't have any problems with that) that would explain it too.
Or I'm just missing something.
sophie
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I know I tend to be, just ask my wife
If you hate Boston (and I don't have any problems with that) that would explain it too.
Or I'm just missing something.
My thoughts exactly...Besides there are sports teams in NY besides just the islanders you know!
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