Kingdom Come: Deception (Game Thread)

[topsecret]

Yeah that would be the time I called it a weak sauce buss and was shaking you by the neck when Zack killed me.

Trust me on this, if I made that mistake as a wolf "bring that up we will use it for distance" would not have been my play since if Marcher had just let it pass no one else showed signs they were ever gonna notice.

Once again, my resource...TS, we had slips, and we had plans to deal with them if they came up...did I ever suggest bringing our own mistakes up?

Not that I wouldn't, if I felt pressed, but right now we as a town have mislynched twice with two self inflicted no wagonomics info generated CFs to show for ourselves and the human chaos fountain is still running full speed. The wolves are not desperate, whoever they are.

Anyway, all that aside, I think the Argon V Marcher wagons are a good bet to accomplish something in regards to information, as well as having as good a chance as any of actually lynching a wolf. I'm looking forward to EoD.

I don't discount how this looks to you, but I am not clearing anyone except those I have to. I have taken notice of it though. But I am not counting anyone out at this point.

 

[Takhisis]

if I made that mistake as a wolf

you have built up an immunity to iocane powder

 

[Golden1Knight]

@Golden1Knight
Can you send letters?

I believe so.

Also, I was told I can read and write but I never wondered about sending a letter myself lol

I'll ask Arakhor about it, makes total sense.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

My mind says either one, but my gut still says MJ... That and the fact he's been dead quiet.

I am really tempted to pull out my nail... But we'll see. Just because the wolves aren't budging doesn't mean anything. Can't hardly switch at this point without catching major suspicion. They might be hoping the dice fall in their favor.

I expect there will be multiple vote switches and chaotic nonsense before we actually EoD...it just isn't happening yet.

 

[topsecret]

I expect there will be multiple vote switches and chaotic nonsense before we actually EoD...it just isn't happening yet.

I rather think we should hold to this, or choose another candidate and switch together.

I believe so.

Also, I was told I can read and write but I never wondered about sending a letter myself lol

I'll ask Arakhor about it, makes total sense.

Has anyone else besides Tim gotten a letter? (And G1K from Tim.)

 

[Samson]

For those on the Argon wagon, who would you lynch if Argon flips survivor?

@Samson
@Timsup2nothin
@Takhisis
@Marcher Jovian

Hmm, Marcher Jovian is a possibility but I think JohannaK would be top of the list.

 

[Arakhor]

Afternoon Tally (Unchanged)
MarcherJovian (4): Golden1Knight, JohannaK, GamezRule, LordArgon
LordArgon (4): Takhisis, MarcherJovian, Timsup2nothin, Samson
Golden1Knight (2): Pzelda, Topsecret
Topsecret (1): Csargo

There are just under 12 hours to go.

 

[JohannaK]

Hmm, Marcher Jovian is a possibility but I think JohannaK would be top of the list.

So, if Argon flips town, flip the guy who's voting for the guy that's up against him? Can you explain that?

 

[JohannaK]

It's such a relatively quiet day. No sign of MJ, minimal activity from LA and half the players. And seemingly nobody around half my daytime.

 

[Samson]

So, if Argon flips town, flip the guy who's voting for the guy that's up against him? Can you explain that?

It is based on the general impression over the course of the game, not analysis of who voted for whom.

I feel the question is somewhat hypothetical, as we are pretty sure LA will not turn out to be town, he has claimed 3rd party survivor (with anti-murder powers?), surely he would not do that if he was really town? Either he flips wolf or 3P.

 

[JohannaK]

Yeah, well, unless he claimed survivor as vanilla, which I wouldn't put past him.

 

[Marcher Jovian]

For those on the Argon wagon, who would you lynch if Argon flips survivor?

@Samson
@Timsup2nothin
@Takhisis
@Marcher Jovian

So if LordArgon flips survivor, we have 10 people left: Tim, topsecret, Tak, Pzelda, Johanna, Csargo, me, Gamez, Samson, and G1K
Of those, I'd consider Csargo and Samson to be almost guaranteed town just because of roleclaims, and I am of course wouldn't suspect myself, so that leaves 7 suspects and probably 3 mafia out of them, considering if LA is confirmed a survivor it's most likely 11/3/1 split. Among those, I'd probably rank suspicion as follows:

Gamezrule: Is confirmed the letterwriter, which feels like a townie role. Also I agree with the assessment that he looked to clear up confusion going around town: he had the chance to let town argue in circles about the mysterious letter, and decided to clean it up. Of course the obvious counter to that is that I'm currently ranking him as third-most townie and if he's mafia he's just managed to accrue a whole bunch of townie points and eliminate any suspicion of him.
Pzelda: Probably the most consistently helpful person left, actively making reads, giving analysis and trying to dig up information
Timsup2nothin: Has been probably the most active person in town and constantly making claims and giving information, willing to dig for information. Rated under Pzelda for having already lead a mislynch of Raskol, but I'm inclined to see that as a town error rather than a mafia plot.
Golden1Knight: Has talked quite little but given good commentary when he has. I'd prefer you talked more but you've been giving and helping out enough that I don't really feel the need to press it.
topsecret: Between the poisoner and the roleblocker there's already 2 mafia power roles accounted for so if ts is mafia he'd have to be the third one. The thing is that the only other town roles we know so far are doctor, letterwriter, questionably 2-shot tracker/watcher. From a game balance perspective, the poisoner obviously counters the doctor which means the roleblocker is for the letterwriter and possibly tracker. The issue is that a roleblocker is pretty bad against the 2-shot tracker/watcher because the t/w would typically only be found by mafia once they either go public after finding a mafia kill early or after the t/w is out of shots. And I don't think that a roleblocker exists just to counter the letterwriter. This makes me think that there's probably another townrole hiding about that the roleblocker can help handle. Considering how many role claims we have already between 2 masons, a doctor, a t/w, a letterwriter, and a tiebreaker, this makes me think that either (in order from most to least likely) a. Tak is lying about being t/w, b. tiebreaker is a mafia role, c. Tak is lying and tiebreaker is also mafia role, or d. they're both telling the truth and the third mafia role is something really nasty like an extra night kill.
Takhisis: see topsecret for most of it. The reason I find ts less suspicious than Tak is a combination of how ts has generally been more active and helpful giving analysis and making claims, how Tak spent a lot of time with weird distracting roleplaying, and that I consider "I'm t/w, but I found absolutely nothing, and also I'm out of shots so I can't do anything else to confirm myself" to be a more suspicious claim than a known tiebreaker.
JohannaK: has said and done basically nothing all game without the same excuse Tak had of wanting to use all shots first, or how GamezRule could confirm his own role. I want to Jo to at the very start making more claims and reads before I stop considering them a prime lynch target. Also getting suspicious of the quick vote against me trying to save the survivor

tl;dr: the answer to your question would probably be either lynching Jo or thunderdoming you and Tak while voting Tak initially

 

[Arakhor]

There are six hours left in the day.

 

[Csargo]

I honestly just think we lynch in GamezRule, MJ, GK and see what happens. None of them are particularly townie to me.

 

[Csargo]

Also, if there is a mafia roleblocker explain to me why they would block a guy who writes letters of no consequence? That's just weird.

If LordArgon doesn't show up and do something you can add him to the pile as well.

 

[pzelda]

Zelda, how confident are you on the G1K vote? Because my wagonmates don't give me overwhelming peace.

As confident as I could be without a peek yesterday morning. It looks like quite a lot happened since. Basically, voting him, or my other main suspect of that morning Jo, is out of question now.

Afternoon Tally (Unchanged)
MarcherJovian (4): Golden1Knight, JohannaK, GamezRule, LordArgon
LordArgon (4): Takhisis, MarcherJovian, Timsup2nothin, Samson
Golden1Knight (2): Pzelda, Topsecret
Topsecret (1): Csargo

There are just under 12 hours to go.

Just a brief wagon look at wagons. Golden Knight, Johanna and LA voting Marcher Jovian isn't the most convincing wagon of all times to jump on.
LA is being voted by Tim and Samson.
I'll take a look at recent posts to be able to say more but from the look of wagons alone

UNVOTE
VOTE LORD ARGON

 

[pzelda]

Ok, quite a few things happened. GameZ's claim got way more interesting. It looks like he can send out multiple letters at once and more importantly it looks like he visits people too and can check, whether they're home. I think it's time for Jovian to claim. It can help us to figure out the situation.
That role being in a game together with tracker/watcher and watchers combo seems like little too much.
The another thing I found really noteworthy was TS voting Argon first and then moving Golden Knight. This looks like he could try to get votes off his buddy Jovian.
The other option is that it only looks bad and that wolves are Lord Argon and Johanna. We have space to explore both.


Some other stuff.

Finally, with this many roles, either some of the revealed ones are scum, or they have not revealed it. We know that they have a strongman, or at least it seems as though they do. A roleblocker would make sense too. God knows what the third could be. TS would fit the bill, which is why I've downgraded him, but I prefer to think he's not.

I haven't seen anything from Jo to change my mind. Her vote on Jovian makes the whole wagon look worse. I think that talking about mafia roles like this is very wifom. I find discussion whether claim are real or not better.

From my wagonmics analysis, I believe marcher and Gamez are on opposite teams. I am hesitant to side with gk with little info on them. I think a showdown between mj and gk, who also seem apposed, will give town some nice info, so I will tie it up and vote: GoldenKnight

All tak's dog tells us is that Jo is not killer/poisoner, with the possibility of poisoner being the killers special power. Now Tim's constant dog kicking is very suspicious. He will probably use it as an excuse for why the dog horribly mauls him during the night. On a more serious note, since marcher seems so intent on killing me, I am going to switch to them so their death will prove my innocence. Vote: marcherjovian.

Hm, this was an interesting vote, because Argon talked about Gamez and Jovian and ended up voting GK... I guess it means they're not together and a good look for Golden if either lord or jovian flip wolf. The second post does the same thing. Talks about something completely else only to pile on the biggest wagon.

And a point about Dobly murder, I am surprised by it as being "mason" with a newbie does not seem that good, when there is a claimed doctor. I am glad neither of us mentioned that we were not really masons, we knew each other way back so knew we were both town (if we believed Arakhor), but could not communicate outside of this thread.

I am tending towards vote: JohannaK, but I am very unsure. I have not figured out this "information from votes thing". LA and GZ are my other top suspects.

Yeah, killing Doctor makes sense here. Dolby being mason with you doesn't make your masonry any worse. You're still both confirmed towns. Wolves probably have a mean to block Doctor and town doesn't have any mean to prove that Csorgo's town doctor. I think that he's town based on his actions and not on his claim. Arakhor could even provide him with a fake claim.

There it is.



Someone is lying. Why the hell would the wolves steal a letter?

I like Golden's tone here.

Hey, I'm logged in from the Windows partition, while playing civ, so responses might be delayed, but if anybody wants me to change my vote before the phase ends and can justify their tequest then there's still enough time.
/QUOTE]

Enough of your barking. I remember Zack in Mario.

Pzelda: Probably the most consistently helpful person left, actively making reads, giving analysis and trying to dig up information

I admit I got slightly influenced by this read when making the decision too.
Jovian, if you order your reads, would more active people be on top and less active at bottom? What are other factors you consider? Am I your top town because of your own read or because other players townread me?

 

[GamezRule]

Ok, quite a few things happened. GameZ's claim got way more interesting. It looks like he can send out multiple letters at once and more importantly it looks like he visits people too and can check, whether they're home. I think it's time for Jovian to claim. It can help us to figure out the situation.
That role being in a game together with tracker/watcher and watchers combo seems like little too much.
The another thing I found really noteworthy was TS voting Argon first and then moving Golden Knight. This looks like he could try to get votes off his buddy Jovian.
The other option is that it only looks bad and that wolves are Lord Argon and Johanna. We have space to explore both.

I haven't seen anything from Jo to change my mind. Her vote on Jovian makes the whole wagon look worse. I think that talking about mafia roles like this is very wifom. I find discussion whether claim are real or not better.

Hm, this was an interesting vote, because Argon talked about Gamez and Jovian and ended up voting GK... I guess it means they're not together and a good look for Golden if either lord or jovian flip wolf. The second post does the same thing. Talks about something completely else only to pile on the biggest wagon.

Yeah, killing Doctor makes sense here. Dolby being mason with you doesn't make your masonry any worse. You're still both confirmed towns. Wolves probably have a mean to block Doctor and town doesn't have any mean to prove that Csorgo's town doctor. I think that he's town based on his actions and not on his claim. Arakhor could even provide him with a fake claim.

I like Golden's tone here.

I truthfully cannot confirm that I have that power. The description of my role is very vague, I'm just trying to make inferences from the little bit of communication I get regarding the letters. And I can only send out one letter per night and I can only send each player a letter once per game.

I'm content with my vote for MJ since we have yet to hear anything substantial from them. Argon's naturally still wolfy as well but I'm content with my vote for MJ and I have no plans to change it unless presented with some very good evidence directly from MJ.

 

[Marcher Jovian]

I admit I got slightly influenced by this read when making the decision too.
Jovian, if you order your reads, would more active people be on top and less active at bottom? What are other factors you consider? Am I your top town because of your own read or because other players townread me?

The order is in order of suspicion. You are where you are because I consider Csargo, Samson, and GamezRule more trustworthy than you and Tim, G1K, ts, Tak, and Jo more suspicious than you.

 

[pzelda]

I truthfully cannot confirm that I have that power. The description of my role is very vague, I'm just trying to make inferences from the little bit of communication I get regarding the letters. And I can only send out one letter per night and I can only send each player a letter once per game.

I'm content with my vote for MJ since we have yet to hear anything substantial from them. Argon's naturally still wolfy as well but I'm content with my vote for MJ and I have no plans to change it unless presented with some very good evidence directly from MJ.

So, you tried to trick Jovian? That's quite clever. I think that if Jovian flips town, Knight looks bad for Jumping on him based on that.