Kongo

[Brew God]

Hello Civ 6 Fans

I am going with Kongo for the first time. Is there any reason to build up your Faith points if Holy Sites do not matter with aquiring no Religeon. I usually play as a Russian player and building up Faith heavily plays a roll.

Any pro or con suggestions would be great.

Brew God

 

[Rosty K]

In Kongo case Faith = Great People. You can't really build it up though, as you can't build Holy Sites.

 

[Japper007]

Faith as Kongo is only useful to get you a Pantheon (they do get that) but without Holy Sites you won't have enough to patronage great people within any reasonable time.

 

[Kryxal]

You might also want faith to buy a Naturalist for a National Park.

 

[agonistes]

Assuming it wasn't fixed, there is a bug that allows Kongo to get faith from holy buildings. I'm a bit fuzzy on it without going back and finding the thread, but I believe faith buildings are 'pushed' into another district if you take a city with a holy site/lavra. I am 100% sure I've seen the jpegs of Kongo popping apostles/missionaries. So if you can pop an apostle, you can probably save up enough faith to get a great person. But I'm fairly certain the 'pushing' is not intended by firaxis. Unfortunately, I usually only play Kongo as an occ, so my experience with them is not extensive.

@blackbutterfly is the expert on this.

 

[Ivan Hunger]

In addition to great people, there are a few other uses for faith that don't involve religion, although most of them are conditional.

You can buy naturalists in the modern era to create natural parks, upping your tourism and amenities game. This may be of limited utility to the Kongo, however, as their territory tends to have a lot of rainforest, which lowers the appeal of surrounding tiles.

You can buy troops in the medieval era if you choose the theocracy government. This can actually be a very useful strategy if the empire who spreads their religion to you has the pilgrimage founder belief, which generates lots of faith.

If you become suzerain of Valetta, you can use faith to buy buildings for your city center and encampment. But since there's no way to know if Valetta will be close to your starting position, or even in the game at all, you can't really rely on this.

If the empire who spreads their religion to you has the jesuit education follower belief, then you can also buy campus and theatre square buildings with faith. Again, this is something you have very little actual control over.

With such limited applications, it's probably better to ignore faith altogether when playing as Kongo and instead focus on other yields. If you later discover that you will have access to one of the above faith-sinks, you can always shift gears as needed.

 

[Kyro]

Like the rest said, Great People Purchases...the recent nerf hit Kongo quite hard you might want to consider becoming suzerain of La Venta or Armagh and work those Faith improvements with its excess population. Relics should be an additional source of Faith on top of that and they give bonus yields too, prioritize your 5 Palace slots for them over Sculptures and Artifacts. Some Faith is better than no Faith at all.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Pretty much zero practical application as Kongo, barring early relic which gives much faith, in that case you might take a pantheon that gives faith on gather.

However getting a relic before archaeology (which that small amount of faith would actually matter) requires extreme luck and is one of the dumbest mechanics in the game (and that's saying a lot). It is so unreliable so that when it actually happens, the game becomes so easy that it doesn't teach you anything. And you're better off playing normally

1.) Popping a relic from a hut.
2..) Kandy CS, recieve a relic when you discover a Natural Wonder. Dependent on it being nearby and you finding natural wonders.
3.) Yeravan. Apostles drop the martyr promotion and give a relic on death. Of course, you can't get a Apostle unless someone spreads a religion to you or you place an Mbanza; probably too late. Also dependent on someone else, so pure luck.
4.) Build Mt. St. Michel. Still can't produce apostles, so dependent on someone else.

tld;r it really doesn't matter.

Other possible gimmicks:

Gooddess of the Harvest (Gain faith when gathering a resource) ---> Oracle and Great Writer Card ----> Buy the first great writer. Use spare faith to win close races. Probably not viable on any higher difficulties as you will lose oracle if China exists.

So I tried a game, but Monty meets Kandy before I did and took the pantheon right away. :S

 

[Rosty K]

Assuming it wasn't fixed, there is a bug that allows Kongo to get faith from holy buildings. I'm a bit fuzzy on it without going back and finding the thread, but I believe faith buildings are 'pushed' into another district if you take a city with a holy site/lavra. I am 100% sure I've seen the jpegs of Kongo popping apostles/missionaries. So if you can pop an apostle, you can probably save up enough faith to get a great person. But I'm fairly certain the 'pushing' is not intended by firaxis. Unfortunately, I usually only play Kongo as an occ, so my experience with them is not extensive.

@blackbutterfly is the expert on this.

Kongo do have a legitimate mechanism of getting apostles - you build their special neighborhood in a city where someone else's religion has spread.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Well, started a King game, and heh, did pop a relic from this hut. Then Monty and Vic joint warred me in like 2000 BC while also wasting troops to kill a city state. I have to admit that was really convenient. And it also looks like Victoria took the religous belief that gives faith for a wonder.... keeping her alive did prove useful as she still spread religion very heavily somehow so I don't have to worry about someone winning a religious victory. I also didn't take my own advice to get the faith on gather since there was so much stone but opted just to take +1 culture per pasture to beat anyone to theaters and oracle.

So I ended up killing Monty, grabbing some of Victoria's cities and also built the oracle. I bought the great engineer that hurries wonders to get the Forbidden City and also got the Great Merchant that lets you hold some great words in a hub. Everyone hates me though...Still haven't finished the game yet at turn 200 though and it may have been better to do it as any other civ though. I think i won though, just a guess.

I also had the luck (and really should have purchased) of getting a Great Admiral that gave a free ironclad, which was ridiclously useful. I lost Issac Newton, great people RNG sucks sometimes.

One thing also funny is that I was able to grab a Apostle with matyr. So that is the trump card too.

EDIT: Finished. Weird thing happens. If you save the game on turn 265 (the turn where I get more foreign tourists than everyone's domestic tourists, the game doesn't end....) If you don't save it, the game ends as expected, which was sorta annoying to take screenshots from. Having to theme Museums manually really sucks. It gets especailly odd when you capture a British city because the museum gets 6 slots, but then it doesn't auto theme. But it any case....

Spoiler :

Sure glad I passed on Alan Turing.

I also bought Adam Smith and got a national park. So at least that was something. And all that extra food just made people unhappy....

 

[agonistes]

Kongo do have a legitimate mechanism of getting apostles - you build their special neighborhood in a city where someone else's religion has spread.

Ah, right. I was referring to the apostle being purchased though.