ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
Does anyone have a break down of provinces durring this time period, and who controlled them? Or am I better off just using cities?
Korean 3 kingdoms
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Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
I'd say you should stick to city names. I can't find specific province names. 
What's interesting about Koguryo is that actually extends further into what is now China (though some Chinese would argue against this
), occupying Jilin area and later became Parhae (Bohai). It's a pretty big kingdom that also includes many of the sites in what is now Jilin province, so it wouldn't be innaccurate to add cities of Jilin along with Koguryo's city list. Are you also including Kaya? It could act like the "minor civs" in the Conquest scenarios.
Koguryo's capitals were at Nangnang (now "Pyongyang") and Kungae. Paekche's capitals were at Ungjin and later Sabi. Shilla's capital was at Kyongju.
What's interesting about Koguryo is that actually extends further into what is now China (though some Chinese would argue against this
), occupying Jilin area and later became Parhae (Bohai). It's a pretty big kingdom that also includes many of the sites in what is now Jilin province, so it wouldn't be innaccurate to add cities of Jilin along with Koguryo's city list. Are you also including Kaya? It could act like the "minor civs" in the Conquest scenarios.Koguryo's capitals were at Nangnang (now "Pyongyang") and Kungae. Paekche's capitals were at Ungjin and later Sabi. Shilla's capital was at Kyongju.
There were these kingdoms:
The Silla dinasty fell in 935 during an invasion by the nomads to the north; who founded Koryo.
- Kokuryo:on the middle Yalu river;
- Paikche, on the South-West; and
- Silla, on the South-East
The Silla dinasty fell in 935 during an invasion by the nomads to the north; who founded Koryo.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
I thought the Chinese agree that Koguryo controlled northern China, but they say that Koguryo was Chinese country or a colony of China. I dont know about Kaya. When I first thought of this scenerio Kaya was going to be Minama the Japanese colony in Korea. But after reading alot, the only proof that the Japanese made a colony is from the Japanese records written much later. The Chinese records from the time state that Japan did invade Korea around 300ad. And from another book I was reading Japan didnt invade Korea, but sent troops there several times to help their ally Peakche. And also I have read that Japan was a colony of Paekche, but this is only exepted in Korea and only among very nationalistic people, since there is no proof in either Chinese, Japanese, or Korean records.
Civs:
Korean:
Kokuryo
Paekche
Silla
Japanese:
Wa
Chinese:
Wei
Barbain Civs:
Nangnang
Emishi
Kaya
I think these will be civs, just not playable and if possible locked in war with everyone.
Civs:
Korean:
Kokuryo
Paekche
Silla
Japanese:
Wa
Chinese:
Wei
Barbain Civs:
Nangnang
Emishi
Kaya
I think these will be civs, just not playable and if possible locked in war with everyone.
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
There's a bit of a controversy over Koguryo. If you visit some Chinese sites (such as the "People's Daily"), you'd notice that they refer to Koguryo as a part of Chinese culture. As I've mentioned before, Chinese have a very bad habit of claiming everyone. 
Parhae ("Bohai" in Chinese), which formed from the remnants of Koguryo and absorbed much of Jilin and parts of Heilongjiang region, was founded by a Koguryo leader (Dae Jo-young, who I mentioned in the other thread). However, Chinese claim that Dae Jo-young was not Korean, but Malgal ("Mohe" in Chinese). This is perhaps due to an attempt on the part of the Chinese to distance Parhae from Korea.
A theory positing Japan as a colony of Paekche is one that I've never heard of before. It's an intereting theory, but I kind of doubt it.
The nice thing about Asian history is that there is so much quirky controversy over minor details.
Of the three kingdoms, Koguryo started out as the strongest and most advanced. Shilla was largely tribal. It became a major power in the region when it sided with China. Politics regarding each of the kingdoms' stance towards China played a big role in the balance of power in the region. Their technology should be comparable to that of China at the time so you could base some of the tech tree on Chinese technology of that period.
Parhae ("Bohai" in Chinese), which formed from the remnants of Koguryo and absorbed much of Jilin and parts of Heilongjiang region, was founded by a Koguryo leader (Dae Jo-young, who I mentioned in the other thread). However, Chinese claim that Dae Jo-young was not Korean, but Malgal ("Mohe" in Chinese). This is perhaps due to an attempt on the part of the Chinese to distance Parhae from Korea.A theory positing Japan as a colony of Paekche is one that I've never heard of before. It's an intereting theory, but I kind of doubt it.
The nice thing about Asian history is that there is so much quirky controversy over minor details.
Of the three kingdoms, Koguryo started out as the strongest and most advanced. Shilla was largely tribal. It became a major power in the region when it sided with China. Politics regarding each of the kingdoms' stance towards China played a big role in the balance of power in the region.
Their technology should be comparable to that of China at the time so you could base some of the tech tree on Chinese technology of that period.If you're talking about the 300 AD period, then the correct Chinese civilization would be the Jin, not the Wei, as the Wei Kingdom fell to the Jin around 265 CE. But then again, I'm not too familiar with the Korean Three Kingdoms' time period, so do whatever you feel is correct.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
well I remember reading that Wei fell and this caused a "power vacuum" so Japan invaded Korea. I havent thought of a starting time. Im thinking 200ad... Im also thinking Wei wont be a playable character because its likely that all of the kingdom of wei wont be shown. Also it players wont understand the fighting going on between the other chinese kingdoms if they arent shown. Maybe if I start it with the later Jin in its place the time period my cause me to lose some techs I could have used before in 200s ad.
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
The sources I looked through have the Three Kingdoms Period starting at 57 BCE and ending at 668 CE (668 CE being the start of the Unified Shilla period). It's a little over 700 years. I suppose it's because the Kingdom of Shilla was the ultimate victor that they have it starting with Shilla. There doesn't seem to be any agreement on when it actually started, however. Others have it running from the 4th century CE to 668 CE. Still quite a long time compared to the Three Kingdoms period in China.
In that time frame, China would have been through a bunch of dramatic dynastic changes.
Southern California. But of Chinese descent.
In that time frame, China would have been through a bunch of dramatic dynastic changes.
Takhisis said:
Southern California. But of Chinese descent.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
57 BC silla is founded. but its a little early
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
There's no agreement on when it started, unfortunately.
How long of a scenario do you plan to have this? If you're going for a long scenario, then it could start at 57 BCE. If you're going for a shorter scenario, then the 4th century CE would be a good timeframe to begin.
How long of a scenario do you plan to have this? If you're going for a long scenario, then it could start at 57 BCE. If you're going for a shorter scenario, then the 4th century CE would be a good timeframe to begin.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
i think the tech tree can go into the middle ages. So game play can go for a while if you are slow to unite korea. I think I might make it so there is an untrablable resource in each capital of the korean kingdoms. You need each resource to build something (like the UN only a different name and graphic), which leads to a victory.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
some units that would be apperiated
Warrior
Korean heavy Calvery
Korean Calvery
Korean Archer
Korean HorseArcher
Chinese Spearman
Chinese Swordsman
Chinese Mercenary
Warrior
Korean heavy Calvery
Korean Calvery
Korean Archer
Korean HorseArcher
Chinese Spearman
Chinese Swordsman
Chinese Mercenary
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
Crossbowman
Chinese Psiloi
Chinese Calvery
Steppes Foot Archer
Japanese/Korean swordsman (armour reference, no shield)
Chinese Psiloi
Chinese Calvery
Steppes Foot Archer
Japanese/Korean swordsman (armour reference, no shield)
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Wow I really hope that you can get someone to make atleast some of these units.
Goldflash
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I Second every single one of these units
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ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
tech ideas:
Horsback Ridding
Alphabet
Writting
Buddhism
Confucism
Taoism
Absolute Monarchy
Feudalism
Mercenary Employment
*these are in no real order
Horsback Ridding
Alphabet
Writting
Buddhism
Confucism
Taoism
Absolute Monarchy
Feudalism
Mercenary Employment
*these are in no real order
