Landships
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DemonMaster
A.K.A. Fenhorn
As mentioned above, it is also a balance thing. If it would be crap, no one would build one, because you (I guess) do lock one oil in order to have one so if a WWI-Fighter or WWI-Bomber are so much better in comparison then no one would build them and if both the WWI-Air and Landships are crap then no one would build anything but Infantry, MG and Artillery.
And a game that already has some colourful elements
that would be less cool 
And a game that already has some colourful elements
that would be less cool 
jjkrause84
King
Isn't that kinda the tail wagging the dog?
jjkrause84
King
Got word back from my tanky colleague. He says:
"Renualt light tank (never referred to as the FT-17 during the war) could not manage more than 4 to 5 mph (i.e. walking speed) - the Renault engineers tried to give it more speed by increasing the engine's rpm but this exacerbated the problems with the fan-belts, which were already the weakest part and accounted for the majority of breakdowns. In the event, it really didn't need to go faster as it was tasked with moving in and with the infantry. In addition, the Germans had great difficulty hitting them anyway....."
"Renualt light tank (never referred to as the FT-17 during the war) could not manage more than 4 to 5 mph (i.e. walking speed) - the Renault engineers tried to give it more speed by increasing the engine's rpm but this exacerbated the problems with the fan-belts, which were already the weakest part and accounted for the majority of breakdowns. In the event, it really didn't need to go faster as it was tasked with moving in and with the infantry. In addition, the Germans had great difficulty hitting them anyway....."
Interesting, I know they were used to great effect in the latter part of 1918. Tanks used in greater numbers, with infantry and air support helped break the deadlock of the trenches. Tanks did not win us the war, but they did help reduce allied casualties. The Germans had no real anti-tank weapons at the time, to deal with this scary monstrosity, which rumbled into their midst.
But not really related to the game, guys. You determine what kind of attributes are needed at the time (in relation to other units already built or can be built, as well as the progression/transition from older to newer units) and then come up with a graphics and name that would reasonable fit.
There's some speculation that "Landship" may be the name of the stock game's Great War-era tank. But it may just be called WWI Tank.
Do we know if Cavalry will upgrade into the Landship? Is there a chance that the Devs decided to have Cavalry stick around as a contemporary of the Landship until Tanks come around? The Landship's movment of four suggests Cavalry -> Landship ->Tank but perhaps I'm missing something. I would like to see Cavalry and Landships both useable up until Tanks come around, but it looks like the Landship will be used in a not so historical, but hopefully fun, way.
Cavalry and WWI tanks weren't contemporaries. Cavalry regiments were dismounted and turned into infantry within a few months of the start of WWI. Some still saw use in the Middle East, but not at all in the trench warfare on the Western Front. Tanks only started to see action from about midway through the war.
headcase
Limit 1 Facepalm Per Turn
If it were slower for realism reasons, it shouldn't be part of the upgrade path (similar to musketmen). So the best horse would upgrade right up to WWII tank, skipping the landship.
But if the landship is fast as advertised, then it probably will be part of the upgrade path.
But if the landship is fast as advertised, then it probably will be part of the upgrade path.
Duke Maynard
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Cavalry were still being used in fair numbers in WW2, actually. Of course they were on their way out but they were used to great effect in numerous scenarios.
You say that cavalry was 'not at all used in the trench warfare on the Western Front'. Well it was WORLD War 1 for a reason, and I think people forget a bit too easily that there were many many theatres. Cavalry was used in many scenarios on the western front, especially before September 1914 and after the Spring offensive 1918. The Russian front was much more fluid due to its size as well, with much more land being traded in battles than on the western front. Furthermore there was the Italian front, the Macedonian mess, Gallipolli, Siberia, Mesopotamia, Southwestern Africa, and Eastern Africa. Cavalry did not just go away after the Miracle of the Marne. It was used throughout the war.
The only advantage that Cavalry would have over the WWI tanks is visibility if they're being used for recon, as the tanks probably have the "Limited Visibility" attribute. I can see them being contemporaries, but it's not really necessary -- no one's forcing you to upgrade them if you don't want to.
As for cavalry being used in WWII... there are plenty of examples of obsolete units being used in history, but that doesn't mean they should be treated as contemporaries in the unit upgrade path. That's covered by being behind in technology or too poor to upgrade your units.
As for cavalry being used in WWII... there are plenty of examples of obsolete units being used in history, but that doesn't mean they should be treated as contemporaries in the unit upgrade path. That's covered by being behind in technology or too poor to upgrade your units.
jjkrause84
King
Actually, cavalry did have a role, even on the Western Front. A new history has just come out a few months ago on the subject (at least regarding the British army). I cannot recall the exact title or author (which is infuriating as I just glanced at it earlier today!), but if you're interested I could pass the details on.
Cavalry was still in use during the Russian Civil War, wasn't it? After WW1 ended? I always thought cossacks were made famous because of their role during the Russian Revolution and the Civil War that ensued. And I'm under the impression it was vital to the Red Army's victory in East Europe. I'm no specialist, tho, i might be dead wrong on this. 
jjkrause84
King
While you're not 'wrong' yo uare mostly likely thinking of the role cossacks played as, essentially, "riot police".
Cossacks were used in WW2. Many served Nazi Germany and were used to deal with partisans behind the lines. Later these units fought Yugoslav Communist partisans. The Soviet Union also had cossack regiments loyal to them.
Cavalry was organized in the US army up until 1942. Based on all this perhaps cavalry should upgrade to WW2 tank and not landships.
What I would do is give cavalry the ability to get an advanced weapons promotion of some sort, so they are more powerful in modern warfare. Basically, they fought as mounted infantry anyway, their horses just a transport tool. These units would have a detachment of MGs, mortars, light artillery, and some smaller antitank weapons.
I wonder how many believe that the Polish 18th lancers charged German tanks in WW2?
Cavalry was organized in the US army up until 1942. Based on all this perhaps cavalry should upgrade to WW2 tank and not landships.
What I would do is give cavalry the ability to get an advanced weapons promotion of some sort, so they are more powerful in modern warfare. Basically, they fought as mounted infantry anyway, their horses just a transport tool. These units would have a detachment of MGs, mortars, light artillery, and some smaller antitank weapons.
I wonder how many believe that the Polish 18th lancers charged German tanks in WW2?
The "cavalry" post-WWI were really mounted infantry, that used horses primarily for transportation and rarely fought from horseback. Although I do recall reading that there was at least one cavalry charge during Polish campaign in 1939 (in which both sides had cavalry), perhaps the last in the history of major conflicts.
But again, using an obsolete unit past its era of relevance doesn't make it a true contemporary of the units that replaced it.
But again, using an obsolete unit past its era of relevance doesn't make it a true contemporary of the units that replaced it.
