We have finally reached the point where I am ready to share the larger map and the new civilizations that come with it. You can get them by updating to the latest develop branch.
Along with the map and civilization changes, a lot of other things have changed. Even though I usually mentioned them somewhere in this forum at the time, I will include a (best effort) full summary of everything that changed in this post.
You can find a full list of all civilizations in the game as of 1.18 here.
Feel free to play the game in whichever way you like. Since I have been very adamant before about access to the map branch and how to interact with it, I want to explicitly say that nothing is off limits. You can play and post about it in any way. However, I would still like to ask not to create modmods based on the 1.18 development branch until it has been fully released.
Please share your experiences in this forum - you can use the general discussion thread or start new threads as needed. Please be aware that development is not yet complete and do not report issues for parts of the mod that I had no time to work on yet. That includes for example city names, great people names, dawn of man texts, civilopedia texts, and similar flavour content. You can find details on what I have yet to work on in the "Updated Plans for DoC 1.18" thread.
I especially welcome all feedback on game balance, UHV challenge, AI competitiveness, tech balance, and usefulness of the new game assets like UUs, UBs, and UPs. Of course, please also report any bugs and similar issues you encounter in the bug reports thread. To be clear, you can use the general purpose DoC threads in this context. 1.18 and the big map are the default mode of DoC from this point on.
I will move on with the remaining tasks for 1.18 according to the laid out plan, but I will also do my best to engage with the discussion in the forum here. I also plan to revive the "Leoreth Plays..." series for the civilizations added in 1.18, so be on the lookout for that.
I hope you have fun!
Spoiler:
MAJOR FEATURES
New, larger and highly detailed map, including many new terrain, feature, and resource types
13 new civilizations
Extended game length: 80 turns added on Normal game speed
Blue Marble included by default
New implementation of settler and war map values and logic to simplify logic and improve control
New implementation of minor city spawns to achieve better developed and defended minors, including from collapsed civilizations
New implementation of barbarian spawns to achieve more contextual and better targeted barbarians
New stability maps: distinction of core, historical, conquest, and foreign areas
Core area: cities contribute to the stability limit
Historical area: cities slightly contribute to instability, temporary positive stability on city conquest
Conquest area: cities fully contribute to instability except for the first turns after conquest, temporary positive stability on city conquest
Foreign area: cities fully contribute to instability
Resources can have different graphical varieties on the map
TECHNOLOGIES
Literature: enables adjusting culture rate instead of Writing
Cartography: additional movement on Roads
Electricity: additional movement on Railroads
UNITS
Spy: has two moves
Missionary: limit increased to 5
Persecutor: requires Theology, reduced cost, limit increased to 3
Great Merchant: can enter desert
Increased movement for all naval units
Unit modifiers for Desert also apply for Semidesert
Animal units have terrain and feature strength modifiers depending on their native biomes
NEW BUILDINGS
Tannery (Tanning): +1 happiness from Fur, +1 health from Deer
Jeweller (Aesthetics): +2 culture, +1 artist slot, +1 happiness from Gems, Pearls, Amber, Jade
Grocer (Guilds): +1 health from Citrus, Amber, Dates, Banana, Spices
Abattoir (Refrigeration): +1 health from Cow, Pig
Grain Silo (Labour Unions): +1 health from Wheat, Corn, Rice, Millet
Zoo (Ecology): +1 happiness from Camel, Fur, Ivory, Whale
BUILDINGS
Smokehouse: removed
Weaver: requires Leverage, -1 culture, -1 artist slot
Manufactory: requires Companies
NEW WONDERS
Pyramid of the Sun: +3 great people points per Citizen
Great Adobe Mosque: requires Doctrine, Ivory, Islam, +2 commerce on Desert and Semidesert, +2 priest slots
WONDERS
Increased costs for many ancient and classical wonders
Sphinx: +1 happiness from Stone, Marble
Pyramids: require Pottery, +1 priest and engineer slot, +1 great people point per happiness resource
Floating Gardens: require Ethics
Saint Sophia: requires Compass, reduced cost
Shwedagon Paya: current gold rate increases great people birth rate
Prambanan: +1 production on islands
Hagia Sophia: +1 gold per city with state religion
La Mezquita: requires Education
Machu Picchu: requires Potatoes
CIVICS
Republic: removed additional specialist slots
Citizenship: Spies can bribe barbarian units
NEW TERRAIN
Arctic Coast: 2 commerce, +10% defense
Atoll: 2 food, 1 commerce, +100% improvement construction time
Lagoon: 1 food 2 commerce, 2 movement cost, +50% defense, +50% improvement construction time
Moorland: 1 food, +1 commerce next to river
Salt Flat: 1 production, 1 commerce, 2 movement cost, +25% improvement construction time, cannot build cities
Salt Lake: 2 commerce
Savanna: 1 food, +1 commerce next to river
Semidesert: 1 production, +1 commerce next to river, +25% improvement construction time, cannot build cities unless coastal or riverside
Steppe: 1 production, +1 food next to river, +25% improvement construction time, cannot build cities unless coastal or riverside
TERRAIN
Impassable terrain: Ice, Tundra, and Desert are impassable by default unless allowed by a specific unit ability, covering the tile with culture, or for Settlers that can found on the tile
Flood Plains: -1 production, no commerce from being adjacent to riverside
Marsh: -1 food, additional graphical varieties
Forest: additional graphical varieties
NEW RESOURCES:
Potatoes: +1 food, +2 food with Farm (Agriculture), +1 health for two cities, +1 happiness with Distillery
Millet: +1 food, +2 food with Farm (Agriculture), +1 health for one city, +1 health with Grain Silo
Amber: +1 commerce, +3 commerce with Mine or Harvest Boats (Mining), +1 happiness for three cities, +1 happiness with Jeweller, obsoletes with Synthetics
Obsidian: +1 production, +2 commerce with Mine (Mining), alternative requirement for Spearman, Light Swordsman, and some unique units
Rare Earths: +1 commerce, revealed by Metallurgy, +3 with Mine (Electronics), required for Supercomputer, Solar Plant, Fiber Network, Automated Factory, accelerated production Skytree, Oriental Pearl Tower, Large Hadron Collider, ITER, The Internet, Great Firewall, Mars Hydroponics, Mars Control Center, consumed by Computer Industry
Citrus: +1 food, +3 food with Orchard (Pottery), +1 health for two cities, +1 health with Grocer, has citrus and orange varieties
Dates: +1 food, +2 food with Orchard (Pottery), +1 health for two cities, +1 health with Grocer
Olives: +1 food, +3 food with Orchard (Pottery), +1 health for two cities, +1 health with Grocer
Cocoa: +1 food, +1 food +1 commerce with Plantation (Calendar), +1 happiness for three cities, +1 happiness with Coffee House, consumed by Trading Company
Opium: +1 commerce, +2 commerce with Plantation (Medicine), +1 happiness for three cities, +1 health with Pharmacy, consumed by Silk Route
Rubber: +1 production, +2 production with Plantation (Construction), +10% production with Industrial Park
Jade: +1 commerce, -1 production +3 commerce with Quarry (Masonry), +1 happiness for three cities, +1 happiness with Jeweller, obsoletes with Synthetics
Salt: +1 commerce, +1 food -1 production +2 commerce with Quarry (Masonry), +1 health for three cities, +1 health with Granary
RESOURCES
Livestock resources no longer require Refrigeration to be traded
Dye: has indigo, henna, cochineal, and murex (water) varieties
Cow: has brown and Holstein varieties
Crab: has crab and shrimps varieties
Gems: has gems, diamond, emerald, sapphire, ruby, and turquoise varieties
Ivory: has Asian and African varieties
Pig: has pink and furry varieties
Sheep: has white, black, and Llama varieties
Spices: has pepper, cinnamon, nutmeg, saffron, and vanilla varieties
NEW IMPROVEMENTS
Harvest Boats: connects Amber and Dye on Water
IMPROVEMENTS
Lumbermill: requires flatlands
Windmill: +1 commerce on coast
Plantation: reduce commerce provided for some resources
Forts on unowned tiles are passable to sea units
Plantations and Orchards on Jungle are enabled with Crop Rotation
Incense, Tobacco are connected after discovering Priesthood
Tea is connected after discovering Aesthetics
CORPORATIONS
Increased global corporation limits
PROMOTIONS
Heavy Cavalry units have access to City Raider II and City Raider III
Desert Adaptation also applies for Semidesert
Added Steppe Adaptation promotions for some units to provide double movement on Steppe
GAME RULES
Capital flip on spawn immediately expands culture
Civilian and naval units can enter independent territory
Flipped capitals do not receive free garrisons
No restrictions on withdrawal, collateral attack, bombardment from cargo for Amphibious units
Limited the vision range of land units into sea tiles
Limited amount of territory revealed on spawn if map trading is not yet available
Increased limit of concurrent major civilizations to 36
Expansion area is determined by war map values instead of a dedicated expansion map
STABILITY
Capital city grants non-scaling additional stability limit
INTERFACE
Production modifiers not displayed in production tooltip while converting production to commerce
Income indicator is green if income is positive, yellow if income is negative but sufficient to fund the completion of the currently researched technology, orange if negative but less than the remaining treasury, and red otherwise
Autoplay progress bar has the colour of the current civilization
Camera is centered at the spawn location during autoplay
World builder overlay displays the current tile's city name
HISTORICAL IMMERSION
Removed scripted Tamil conquerors
Expansion stability scales differently for some civilizations
BALANCE
The AI receives free improvements and roads when gaining cultural control over one tile islands with resources
The AI receives a free worker when founding an overseas colony
Independents only pay halved unit upkeep instead of none
The AI receives a free transport ship after building a settler in a coastal city if the destination city site is also coastal
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
Improved impact of AI building preferences on Great Engineer actions
Improved AI handling of transport ships to ferry settlers, especially in cases where an alternative but slower land route exists
AI is less intimidated out of building settlers by being at war with independents
IMPLEMENTATION
Settler, war, religion, and city name maps are accessed as CSV files and edited as ODS files for ease of editing
This is awesome! I have a piano lesson tomorrow that I am nowhere near prepared for. Oh, well, I've prepared for all of the other ones this year. Hope my teacher is understanding
A little confused. I deleted and reinstalled. I went and loaded the mod and clicked play now and the map looks different but it is the same size, civilizations and leaders. If I go to play a scenario then quick save it shows me some of the new civilizations but no option for which year to start. When I launched the game I get a series of error messages and then a you have been defeated screen.
A little confused. I deleted and reinstalled. I went and loaded the mod and clicked play now and the map looks different but it is the same size, civilizations and leaders. If I go to play a scenario then quick save it shows me some of the new civilizations but no option for which year to start. When I launched the game I get a series of error messages and then a you have been defeated screen.
I've got a similar issue. I Zip Downloaded the develop branch and loaded into the map and everyone spawned in strange positions of where they were supposed to. I checked my folders and they are missing maps for the new civs and the new resources are missing. It's been years since I used Git but the files on the git develop branch are missing the same ones (i.e. new map, Civ territory png). It could be an permission thing, the map branch was locked before, or very likely I'm not using Git correctly.
I'm not sure if this is a bug, but should the Celts really have an empire this developed at Rome's spawn? They've only been around a few turns. Also, barbs conquered Athens and Magna Graecia is now just Graecia in general. I've run a few regent difficulty/epic length Rome start a few times now and this situation seems common.
I'm not sure if this is a bug, but should the Celts really have an empire this developed at Rome's spawn? They've only been around a few turns. Also, barbs conquered Athens and Magna Graecia is now just Graecia in general. I've run a few regent difficulty/epic length Rome start a few times now and this situation seems common.
I'm not sure, but as an Irishman, I love to see it.
So far, I'm really loving the new map, halfway through a Celts game. I conquered some Carthaginian city in Spain (which autorazed for having 1 pop) and Athens (which I kept). I also added in the Cape art that I had mentioned in that other thread a couple of weeks ago and I think it looks great (Screenshot attached).
One thing I noticed is that Assyria doesn't have diplomusic, I suggest using this audio file (which was the early Middle East peace diplomusic in Civ 3)
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Overall, I think the map is great, nicely done Leoreth, Bautos42, and everyone else who contributed to the map.
I noticed some issues with city naming. For example, Egypt's first city is called Akhetaten. Also in the 1700 AD scenario Ottoman cities have either their ancient names or their Greek ones.
I noticed some issues with city naming. For example, Egypt's first city is called Akhetaten. Also in the 1700 AD scenario Ottoman cities have either their ancient names or their Greek ones.
Please be aware that development is not yet complete and do not report issues for parts of the mod that I had no time to work on yet. That includes for example city names, great people names, dawn of man texts, civilopedia texts, and similar flavour content. You can find details on what I have yet to work on in the "Updated Plans for DoC 1.18" thread.
Every city in the core adds to the expansion stability limit, and then that limit scales with the game era. The change here is that the capital additionally adds to the limit, but that addition does not scale with the game era. In effect it means that there is a bit more room before you get negative expansion strategy, but that effect becomes negligible with large cores and after the classical era.
I'm not sure if this is a bug, but should the Celts really have an empire this developed at Rome's spawn? They've only been around a few turns. Also, barbs conquered Athens and Magna Graecia is now just Graecia in general. I've run a few regent difficulty/epic length Rome start a few times now and this situation seems common.
You're right, something happened here. This was not my experience when balancing the ancient era but that has been a while ago, because I did that part first. It seems some other change has impacted the Celtic performance somehow, I will investigate.
A downloadable installer will only become available when the 1.18 release is created, i.e. when work is completed. In the meantime, as usual, it is only accessible via git.
A downloadable installer will only become available when the 1.18 release is created, i.e. when work is completed. In the meantime, as usual, it is only accessible via git.
You're right, something happened here. This was not my experience when balancing the ancient era but that has been a while ago, because I did that part first. It seems some other change has impacted the Celtic performance somehow, I will investigate.
When you say getting it is the same as before, not sure what you mean. I uninstalled then reinstalled the mod but not seeing how to get the development branch for 1.18. Excited to spend the weekend playing this just gotta figure out how to get it working first lol.
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